Interesting, Pakistani AF to buy both F-16 and J-10

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Black jack

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tphuang said:
I have to set something straight here. The fact that J-10 is even getting exported is amazing. China is not looking to give Pakistan ToT on this thing. I've read a lot about China offering ToT easily and such, that is bs. When are people going to realize that J-10 is getting attention due to its performance and future rather than it being easier to get parts and cheaper and ToT?
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I didn't expect China to hold back the J-10 from Pakistan and the recent revelations show that. However, I doubt anybody else will be getting it. Thats where the JF-17 comes in. In terms of TOT, I realise that China does give Pakistan ToT on many exports but it's no issue if they don't on the J-10 as i'm sure Pakistan realises the importance China attaches to it's "F-22".
 
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maglomanic

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Black jack said:
I didn't expect China to hold back the J-10 from Pakistan and the recent revelations show that. However, I doubt anybody else will be getting it. Thats where the JF-17 comes in. In terms of TOT, I realise that China does give Pakistan ToT on many exports but it's no issue if they don't on the J-10 as i'm sure Pakistan realises the importance China attaches to it's "F-22".
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Well it will be bad decision on Paksitan's part to get TOT on J-10.Pakistan already has it's plate full with JF-17. Why are we even discussing J-10 TOT here? I even don't see the first 36 to come to Pakistan so soon. The next stage will be acquiring more after intial batch becomes operational for year or two. Only then can Pakistan decide for TOT on spares and other parts if it suits it. We even don't know what version will PAF decide on. What if the next version is out by the time PAF wants to induct it??
So many Ifs. Give it few years and things will become more clear.
 
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Black jack

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maglomanic said:
Well it will be bad decision on Paksitan's part to get TOT on J-10.Pakistan already has it's plate full with JF-17. Why are we even discussing J-10 TOT here? I even don't see the first 36 to come to Pakistan so soon. The next stage will be acquiring more after intial batch becomes operational for year or two. Only then can Pakistan decide for TOT on spares and other parts if it suits it. We even don't know what version will PAF decide on. What if the next version is out by the time PAF wants to induct it??
So many Ifs. Give it few years and things will become more clear.
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I mentioned ToT because the guy above me mentioned it, so it just kinda flowed! Your right either way, there are alot of things that need to be finalised and at the end of the day whatever version Pakistan gets, parts will definatly be available whether Pakistan produces them or gets them in.
 
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haris

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Pakistan and China should continue their cooperation

I think that China is our major ally,our friendship is time tested and i would like to have more cooperation between these two brotherly countries.Pakistan should buy her Defence equ from CHINA rather than any other country including america.Pakistani air force has announced to fulfil its needs by acquiring Jf-17 thunder to about 150 t0 200 in number.
 
DPRKUnderground

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Re: Pakistan and China should continue their cooperation

haris said:
I think that China is our major ally,our friendship is time tested and i would like to have more cooperation between these two brotherly countries.Pakistan should buy her Defence equ from CHINA rather than any other country including america.Pakistani air force has announced to fulfil its needs by acquiring Jf-17 thunder to about 150 t0 200 in number.
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That would be bad. We need more suppliers than China! And do you know what happened to Thailand when they go their frigates? It wouldn't be smart to just buy from China. The US and France has offered Pakistan some really nice stuff for the right price! Plus how about those French subs?
 
MIGleader

MIGleader

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tphuang said:
I have to set something straight here. The fact that J-10 is even getting exported is amazing. China is not looking to give Pakistan ToT on this thing. I've read a lot about China offering ToT easily and such, that is bs. When are people going to realize that J-10 is getting attention due to its performance and future rather than it being easier to get parts and cheaper and ToT?
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So if the j-10 IS going to be exported, than what is it's export designation? We havnt heard of one yet, and that was because i assumed j-10 wasnt going to be sold for a while.
 
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SABRE

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MIGleader said:
So if the j-10 IS going to be exported, than what is it's export designation? We havnt heard of one yet, and that was because i assumed j-10 wasnt going to be sold for a while.
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Its F-10. Although some foolish news agencies in Pak is calling it FC=10 and FC-20 but the government officials have refered to it as F-10. I dnt expect much from News Agencies, the are calling JF-17 "ThunderBolt" instead of just "Thunder"
 
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adeptitus

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IMO although the F-16 is a very good platform, Pakistani should look carefully at Venezuela's situation. Last time when Pakistani was under arms embargo, it was able to obtain some F-16 spares from Egypt with Uncle Sam looking the other way. But that might not be the case in the future, unless if Pakistan was willing to align with US interest for the long-run.

Given choice, I'd rather purchase planes from France. Unlike the US, France is willing to sell large piles of spares and munitions (i.e. Libya). The Mirage-2000 would've been an over-priced, but capable platform, but France wants to stop production and shift to Rafale, which is REALLY expensive. I donno if Pakistan's limited military budget could afford to feed a large fleet of Rafale's.

The Swedish Gripen is very cost-effective, but it has high % of technology and parts from US & UK, which would be subject to US embargos. Russia, I think they might not want to endanger their existing relations with India and sell to Pakistan. Pakistani military leadership prolly took all these factors into consideration and concluded that buying J-10 from the PRC is a "safe" choice.
 
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DPRKUnderground

DPRKUnderground

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adeptitus said:
IMO although the F-16 is a very good platform, Pakistani should look carefully at Venezuela's situation. Last time when Pakistani was under arms embargo, it was able to obtain some F-16 spares from Egypt with Uncle Sam looking the other way. But that might not be the case in the future, unless if Pakistan was willing to align with US interest for the long-run.

Given choice, I'd rather purchase planes from France. Unlike the US, France is willing to sell large piles of spares and munitions (i.e. Libya). The Mirage-2000 would've been an over-priced, but capable platform, but France wants to stop production and shift to Rafale, which is REALLY expensive. I donno if Pakistan's limited military budget could afford to feed a large fleet of Rafale's.

The Swedish Gripen is very cost-effective, but it has high % of technology and parts from US & UK, which would be subject to US embargos. Russia, I think they might not want to endanger their existing relations with India and sell to Pakistan. Pakistani military leadership prolly took all these factors into consideration and concluded that buying J-10 from the PRC is a "safe" choice.
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It's all in the hands of the Pakistani people. Venezuela elected Chavez and this is what they got. Palestine elected Hamas and look at them. As long as Pakistan is under the leadership of a moderate or liberal leader everything will be fine.
 
Diving Falcon

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The PAF may buy its F-16 Block-52 in several batches;
1st phase would have 18 (or 36) F-16 Block-52s
2nd phase would 33 additional F-16 Block-52s

Appears Pakistan is taking a safer route in procuring those F-16s, to ensure that it does not have massive orders when breaking off from the U.S. If all goes well roughly 75-80 Block-52s and 60-110 F-16A/B MLU may by the end of 2015; by the end of 2019 approx 150-200 JF-17 and 60-75+ J-10 may also be in service?
 
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