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Biscuits said:

I don't see going all "fuck you I'll fight all of you at once" as a good idea. We have a legit mandate right now to crush US because they've pissed off so many others, but if we crush Russia afterwards, it shows that China is only about might makes right. And sooner or later, it might take 50 years or 100 years or even more, but the possibility of a hostile world overcoming China's blockade exists, or some can argue will inevitably happen.

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The US has indeed upset, if not destroyed a many nations and peoples. However, that is simply the nature of hegemony.

If you're a shot caller, you're going to make decisions and set conditions that will please some and upset others. There's no making everyone happy.

With that said, should the world return to Pax Sinica, the Chinese should be prepared to be hated, feared and respected by the rest of the world just as Uncle Sam has.

Xiongmao said:

I am not unique in this thinking, many people in China think this way. In fact many schools have text books that say that Outer Manchuria is Russian occupied land which one day will be retaken to complete the rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation.

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There isn't a practical need for the Chinese to force Russia's hand on historical territorial issues. All the Chinese really need to do is to be patient, as they have been elsewhere, and let Russia run its course.

Once Putin leaves office, odds are Russia will experience a great deal of turmoil as Putin's lieutenants compete to fill the vacuum.

Should that get especially ugly, Russia will further weaken and fragment itself, and Russians living in its Far East will not fear the possibility of Chinese rule, but ask for it. Though it will obviously start in de facto rather than de jure terms.

Biscuits said:

Sure, if China has more vassals that can replace Russia or even ones that are aligned against Russia (like Japan) after solving the US problem, China can indeed do what you describe and turn her economic, covert and military guns to blast Russia into pieces, retaking the Far East.

But this is not a moral action, without even trying to negotiate and straight up turning your (covert or overt) weapons on people who have fought and bled on your side to bring your empire to fruition just because some of them happen to be living on what was once Chinese land isn't the behavior of a sane or reasonable superpower. It is like what Israel does with their allies.

Why do you want to do this instead of just approaching Russians with negotiation? Having such large parts of the Far East is not necessary, not when China has resource rights in the rest. Arguably only Haishenwai is important, and only then once the PLAN is so large it can dominate the north Pacific.

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Reread what I said please, I never said anywhere that China is the one that disposes the Russian regime. I am saying lay the foundations to fully take advantage of it when the time does come. The only reason why Russia has lasted this far is because of a very strong leader, Putin. But he will not be around forever, everyone dies of old age. And in the hands of a weak leader, the balkanisation of Russia is a distinct possibility. China can win again by doing (almost) nothing.

zyklon said:

There isn't a practical need for the Chinese to force Russia's hand on historical territorial issues. All the Chinese really need to do is to be patient, as they have been elsewhere, and let Russia run its course.

Once Putin leaves office, odds are Russia will experience a great deal of turmoil as Putin's lieutenants compete to fill the vacuum.

Should that get especially ugly, Russia will further weaken and fragment itself, and Russians living in its Far East will not fear the possibility of Chinese rule, but ask for it.

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Agreed.

Xiongmao said:

Reread what I said please, I never said anywhere that China is the one that disposes the Russian regime. I am saying lay the foundations to fully take advantage of it when the time does come. The only reason why Russia has lasted this far is because of a very strong leader, Putin. But he will not be around forever, everyone dies of old age. And in the hands of a weak leader, the balkanisation of Russia is a distinct possibility. China can win again by doing (almost) nothing.

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It'd be counterproductive since China is already building a stable and strong Russia at the moment.

When Putin bows out what will happen, with 99.9% chance nothing dramatic. United Russia is strongly cemented thanks to the war effort. So right off the bat, a potential civil conflict can only come from within United Russia itself. And it's quite clear theres only 1 person in line for succession in United Russia, that is, Medvedev.

There's tons of guys like Medvedev in Russia who all believe in anti western doctrine, expansion westwards and in "sovereign democracy" (big tent US style oligarchy). It's like thinking Israel will break or stop being expansionist when Netanyahu dies. Nah, there's another 100 000s exact copies waiting in line.

At best or worst, Russia elects one of the CPRF dudes and they get a red paint job but it's still the same machine underneath.

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