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"I wouldn't do this in my country."
ROFL, I wouldn't do this in China either. These people are just trying to get views.
China probably only wants Vladivostok with minimal surrounding areas back, and only for symbolic reasons and to build out the port more than what Russia is capable of.
Through Russia, China de facto already owns more than just the historical far eastern territories. It's basically like why would US want to invade Mexico/Canada?
As for when they can ask for it, I'm thinking when Russia is in victory celebrations over new territory in Europe. Russia will get favorable terms like existing citizens getting dual citizenship for 50+ years and the city/surroundings having autonomy for awhile etc.
Outer Manchuria has about 40% of the timber of mainland China as as well as about 10% of the fresh water, both good to have.
In my imagination, how China would get the land back goes something like this:
a) Encourage as much legal or illegal migration as possible of Chinese citizens into the area to settle and to open businesses. Something which has been happening anyway.
b) After a few generations, there will be a large base of ethnic Chinese in the area.
c) At some point, the regime in Moscow falls, either destroyed from within or without by the West.
d) At this point, send in the PLA to take over the whole region in order to "protect" the ethnic Chinese. This is basically the same excuse that Putin gave for the Ukraine invasion, i.e. to protect the Russian ethnic minorities in Ukraine.
e) After a few years, hold independence referendums, get the required result and job done, China will have reclaimed the lost lands.
Why is it so important for some of the Chinese folks like yourself to "retake" the land(s) that's already been agreed to and settled through signed agreements from prior governments of both countries? Your stance lends credence and legitimacy from some of the ultra China hating folks that China does have a revisionist and expansionist aims towards Russia thus, China must not and can't be fully trusted.
Not to mention the scenario you painted isn't going to happen anytime soon or within our lifetime. Coupled that with the undisputable fact that Russia will not cede any of its lands without nuclear fight. Furthermore, it's not in the Chinese strategic interests for Russia to fall under the west because that would mean China will be surrounded by enemies in all her directions!!
Please provide the justification why China must have it back come hell or high water.
If China will see Russia toppled, it will only do so after the west has been beaten into irrelevance first.
But I struggle to see the point. History is replete with examples of poor emperors who immediately after rising to power started executing their loyal generals. Usually this leads to the death of the dynasty soon, because it shows that the leader doesn't trust anyone, doesn't feel loyalty to anyone, so why should other people help or be loyal to the leader?
Sure China has special abilities like being able to lock down tech sectors, controlling the best talent in the world and having a globally indispensable economy for the moment. But don't forget that we are 1.4 billion people (whose natural population should even be a bit lower than that) trying to find a way to guide/influence/control what will be 7-10 billion foreigners in the next decades.
I don't see going all "fuck you I'll fight all of you at once" as a good idea. We have a legit mandate right now to crush US because they've pissed off so many others, but if we crush Russia afterwards, it shows that China is only about might makes right. And sooner or later, it might take 50 years or 100 years or even more, but the possibility of a hostile world overcoming China's blockade exists, or some can argue will inevitably happen.
Russia needs to stay on good terms so they can help convince the rest of the world to fall in line peacefully.
Plus paying people to immigrate (even illegally lmao) to a (much?) poorer country will never work. China would be wasting so much money trying to get people into the Far East. When it can just come clean to Putin and say "we need it so we'll take all the resource rights here, in return you'll get new land in Europe and we'll help bankroll the Russian economy/modernization". Which is pretty much what already happened, China owns massive portions of the siberian resources.
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I am not unique in this thinking, many people in China think this way. In fact many schools have text books that say that Outer Manchuria is Russian occupied land which one day will be retaken to complete the rejuvenation of the Chinese Nation.
Also, when a regime falls, there is no telling what will happen in the chaos. And would you rather have a single great power as a neighbour to the north, or many smaller independent powers. As a great power yourself, this would give untold opportunities on how to control them.
They are CIA/MI6/CSIS agent provocateurs. Most likely they aren't even Chinese.
It's some banned troll's alt. A couple of posts in 2013, then silence until 2024 and the only posts since then are stupid questions and soft trolling.
Sure, if China has more vassals that can replace Russia or even ones that are aligned against Russia (like Japan) after solving the US problem, China can indeed do what you describe and turn her economic, covert and military guns to blast Russia into pieces, retaking the Far East.
But this is not a moral action, without even trying to negotiate and straight up turning your (covert or overt) weapons on people who have fought and bled on your side to bring your empire to fruition just because some of them happen to be living on what was once Chinese land isn't the behavior of a sane or reasonable superpower. It is like what Israel does with their allies.
Why do you want to do this instead of just approaching Russians with negotiation? Having such large parts of the Far East is not necessary, not when China has resource rights in the rest. Arguably only Haishenwai is important, and only then once the PLAN is so large it can dominate the north Pacific.