Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

by78 said:

You have a problem. I don't. And your problem is that you weren't asking questions, but rather you were giving your 'hot takes' and 'initial reactions' in the form of questions. This thread – and Sinodefence Forum in general – isn't the kind of place for that sort of thing, nor are our seasoned members likely to view favorably someone's pithy un-ironic declarations made with a great sense of discovery. Maybe you were looking to initiate banter or elicit reactions, but this thread isn't a place for that either.
Look, it's fairly simple. If someone coached his questions along the lines of, "hey, this is stooopid, why hasn't anyone thought of that?" or "lookie lookie at me, I'm the only one who thought of that. Don't you agree with me? Please agree with me." That person would unlikely receive a reception he's looking for, especially when he drops F-bombs, which is a big no-no around these parts.

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I'm not the one who's snarky and going for low blows over a seemingly unsubstantial comment. I ask about blue camo and the like because I've yet to find a real answer for it being used in potential combat areas and why it's being used for training in an OPFOR environment when other options are obviously available. Is that not worthy of discussion? Is further discussion not allowed? Stop twisting my words to create a strawman, I never implied "I'm so special", that's your interpretation and projection. Let's remember that the answer you thought was satisfactory was "LOOKIE LOOKIE THE BRITS AND FRENCH HAVE BLUE CAMO TOOOOO, IT MUST BE GOOD!", and that'd actually be more accurate than what you're trying to pin on me.

by78 said:

Why stop with a cheapo red dot? How about adding some pomp by hiring a marching band and a gaggle of cheerleaders? Why not call in the August 1st Aerobatic team to do a flyover? While they are at it, just stage a full military parade. The cooler looking the better.

OR....

They could just focus on showing the product they are most concerned with showing off, which is the smart soldier kit.

P.S. Sinodefence Forum isn't a place for fanboys; it isn't a cool or hip place. There are many other places on the internet for that, but this isn't one of them. That said, you have brought some color to my day.

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So my seemingly unsubstantial post illicits such a reaction from you? That you're still going on these rants and exaggerations to prove some guy wrong on the internet? Would it be hard for a "future soldier" demo to throw in an optic, considering optics are standard in our current time? It wasn't even a big deal, but you're making it into one. You could have ignored, but you didn't and instead want to feel like you're lecturing someone to get some high out of your life which you've admitted enough.

kickars said:

Maxef208, in case you haven’t done any research before telling people your opinions here. I’ll tell you one last time, marines of PLAN are different from the USMC. Their job up to very recently are limited to only capture the beaches during landing and staying on islands that smaller than some of the back gardens in the west. Therefore, the back drops are mostly blue water. As military fans like us agree with the blue camo 100% or not isn’t important. It’s up to the PLAN to decide. They decided to wear blue camo for the past 30 years and recently due to the changes within its marines they are starting to adopt other type of camos. That’s all. End of discussion on this matter, don’t you think?

I don’t know if you’re new to this forum. Almost everything you’ve been asking has already been answered multiple times. But you are insisting on your own view. What are you trying to achieve here? To convince people PLAN has been totally wrong with most of its decisions? No, I don’t think most people on this forum would agree with no matter what you say. But we do see problems and we see them adopting to new things all the time in their own pace.

This forum is quite different from others. We don’t just keep on moaning about something without achieving anything. We don’t keep asking questions without doing some sorts of research first. You want to see pics of PLAN’s marines doing their landing, then you should search those yourself either on this forum or simply google it before making your mind up that blue camos on Chinese marines are simply wrong. What’s even worse is that you keep on asking us to provide you with pics and vids to the questions you would like answers for. Fine, if those questions you were asking are impossible to answer yourself without some inside information or deep understanding of certain professional knowledge. But those aren’t what you’re asking, are they? Most things you’re moaning about can simply be found out on this forum.

If it’s a new forum to you, I understand how hard it’s for you to adjust as almost all the other forums nowadays have moaning and complaining as standard practices. People are getting used to shout out personal options without even the basic researches. Hopefully you will get what I’m trying to say here.

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I'm a long time lurker who thought he'd come out of the shadows. It's not just my view, it's criticism I've heard many times elsewhere. I have seen pics and video, and I know PLAMC has tried to deal with the reality that blue camo doesn't work very well outside of initial departure and landing where the ocean is the backdrop but even then fails because your enemy will likely be looking down on you onto a sand background. I know they've tried using ghille suits to cover it up once they start making it into the green. I'm asking again, because I'm looking for better answers rather than just going with the flow wanting to see if there are better reasons why Oceanic camo persisted. Obviously someone in PLA has changed things moving forward. I ask you to provide pics because I assume it's something I haven't seen before.

Maxef208 said:

I'm not the one who's snarky and going for low blows over a seemingly unsubstantial comment.

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And yet, several members have replied to your 'unsubstantial' comment over the last several pages, and what more are you looking for? Why are you asking the same question over and over again in different ways, despite the explanations and feedback you had received? You are either hard of hearing or haven't clearly phrased what it is you are seeking, so don't blame any of us for your inability to communicate. And most certainly don't blame me for being 'snarky'. I haven't got the time to hold your hand to walk you through everything.

Maxef208 said:

I ask about blue camo and the like because I've yet to find a real answer for it being used in potential combat areas and why it's being used for training in an OPFOR environment when other options are obviously available. Is that not worthy of discussion? Is further discussion not allowed? Stop twisting my words to create a strawman, I never implied "I'm so special", that's your interpretation and projection. Let's remember that the answer you thought was satisfactory was "LOOKIE LOOKIE THE BRITS AND FRENCH HAVE BLUE CAMO TOOOOO, IT MUST BE GOOD!", and that'd actually be more accurate than what you're trying to pin on me.

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No, don't be revising history on me. Your initial question (seen here and here) was why the Airborne had recently adopted blue camo despite the new 'star sky' uniforms being available, which was a stupid question really, given that you clearly didn't know that Airborne's blue camo was issued some 13 years ago. After being informed of your mistake, you then switched tack by posing yet another line of questions, this time on why OPFOR forces use blue camo, to which came very adequate answers, as seen here, here, here and here. All of them should suffice either singly or in conjunction, so why do you insist on asking the same damn question that has been answered again and again and again? Are you really looking for answers and explanations, or are you looking for the answer you think we should give you and one which you have yourself already formulated beforehand? If the latter is the case, then spit out and share it. We are not here for your personal gratification.

Maxef208 said:

Would it be hard for a "future soldier" demo to throw in an optic, considering optics are standard in our current time? It wasn't even a big deal, but you're making it into one. You could have ignored, but you didn't and instead want to feel like you're lecturing someone to get some high out of your life which you've admitted enough.

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Have you been following this thread at all? How many times do I have to repeat myself? I have made it plenty clear that it was a private effort from a private defense contractor, not some state-backed propaganda showpiece. I'm sure if they were an optics company, they would stick an optic on there, but that's not what they specialize in, so why should they consider it important enough to tack on an optic? The ONLY product they are concerned with showing off is the smart solder system with HUD, and that's it. Everything else is irrelevant, including your opinion expressed in the form of incessant rhetorical questions. Oh, and by the way, belong to other exhibitors at the event. Our smart soldier model just happened to pose a photo with "all this high tech gear" and shared it on Weibo.

Maxef208 said:

I'm a long time lurker who thought he'd come out of the shadows...

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You apparently haven't lurked here long enough. Your 'question' has been covered and discussed extensively and exhaustively, as seen here, here, here, here, here, and here, among many others. The blue camo is frequently derided on this forum and its imminent demise widely welcomed, as seen here, here, here, here, here, and here, just to name a few. In other words, you aren't the first one to raise these questions, and frankly, we aren't obligated to answer them again and again and again and again.

Get a clue, read the #%$@ forum, or go back to lurking in the shadows!!!

by78 said:

And yet, several members have replied to your 'unsubstantial' comment over the last several pages, and what more are you looking for? Why are you asking the same question over and over again in different ways, despite the explanations and feedback you had received? You are either hard of hearing or haven't clearly phrased what it is you are seeking, so don't blame any of us for your inability to communicate. And most certainly don't blame me for being 'snarky'. I haven't got the time to hold your hand to walk you through everything.



No, don't be revising history on me. Your initial question (seen here and here) was why the Airborne had recently adopted blue camo despite the new 'star sky' uniforms being available, which was a stupid question really, given that you clearly didn't know that Airborne's blue camo was issued some 13 years ago. After being informed of your mistake, you then switched tack by posing yet another line of questions, this time on why OPFOR forces use blue camo, to which came very adequate answers, as seen here, here, here and here. All of them should suffice either singly or in conjunction, so why do you insist on asking the same damn question that has been answered again and again and again? Are you really looking for answers and explanations, or are you looking for the answer you think we should give you and one which you have yourself already formulated beforehand? If the latter is the case, then spit out and share it. We are not here for your personal gratification.



Have you been following this thread at all? How many times do I have to repeat myself? I have made it plenty clear that it was a private effort from a private defense contractor, not some state-backed propaganda showpiece. I'm sure if they were an optics company, they would stick an optic on there, but that's not what they specialize in, so why should they consider it important enough to tack on an optic? The ONLY product they are concerned with showing off is the smart solder system with HUD, and that's it. Everything else is irrelevant, including your opinion expressed in the form of incessant rhetorical questions. Oh, and by the way,

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belong to other exhibitors at the event. Our smart soldier model just happened to pose a photo with "all this high tech gear" and shared it on Weibo.



You apparently haven't lurked here long enough. Your 'question' has been covered and discussed extensively and exhaustively, as seen here, here, here, here, here, and here, among many others. The blue camo is frequently derided on this forum and its imminent demise widely welcomed, as seen here, here, here, here, here, and here, just to name a few. In other words, you aren't the first one to raise these questions, and frankly, we aren't obligated to answer them again and again and again and again.

Get a clue, read the #%$@ forum, or go back to lurking in the shadows!!!

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Obviously you got tons of time man. In the end you're pissed at some new member's questions and being a toxic af person to them. Over what? to be "right" on the internet? christ buddy just keep posting pictures. I think I'll hang around and do and say what I want according to the forum rules thanks. You've got no obligation to reply and honestly idc if you do. Stop f-ing harassing me.

Maxef208 said:

Obviously you got tons of time man. In the end you're pissed at some new member's questions and being a toxic af person to them. Over what? to be "right" on the internet? christ buddy just keep posting pictures. I think I'll hang around and do and say what I want according to the forum rules thanks. You've got no obligation to reply and honestly idc if you do. Stop f-ing harassing me.

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Suit yourself. I couldn't care less.

Maxef208 said:

I'm asking again, because I'm looking for better answers rather than just going with the flow wanting to see if there are better reasons why Oceanic camo persisted. Obviously someone in PLA has changed things moving forward. I ask you to provide pics because I assume it's something I haven't seen before.

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The short answer is a simple “NO”. We can only “going with the flow” as military fans who are only able to observe and gather information from internet. What else do you think we can do in order to find a better answer for you? And indeed, in your mind what’s a better answer anyway? One thing you need to realise that PLA doesn’t need to satisfy anyone outside China in order to develop its military equipments. Our “better answer” doesn’t mean anything to them. They have been and will still be developing anything they like which might look ridiculous to us.

May I remind you that there is an answer to your question already. But it’s up to you to take it or leave it. But if you aren’t taking it and continuing asking the same question and somehow thinking one day or someone will give you an answer which you would be satisfied with, then I would suggest forget it. Reality is reality. It doesn’t need to satisfy anyone, it is what it is.

Maxef208 said:

Obviously you got tons of time man. In the end you're pissed at some new member's questions and being a toxic af person to them. Over what? to be "right" on the internet? christ buddy just keep posting pictures. I think I'll hang around and do and say what I want according to the forum rules thanks. You've got no obligation to reply and honestly idc if you do. Stop f-ing harassing me.

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You've been saying plenty of things that are either wrong or fanboy like because like by78 said, you seemed to not checked or done any research here at all. Say stupid things, get criticized. It's always been like that. By all means, continue staying around and what not but any comments posted here are free to be questioned or replied to. If you don't like this then you can ignore them or leave.

PAP tactical helmet...

Design drawings of a new multi-functional sight from the 208th institute. My Chinese in the optical field is non-existent, so please help translate the description. It apparently has some kind of communications capability.

"208所研制的某种激光照准器，能同时实现激光照准，强光照射致眩，弱光照明，光信号联络功能."

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Engineering drawings of the unique helmet shroud/mount thing.