PeoplesPoster
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Not sure about the others, but this guy was literally sacked for incompetence.
Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.
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Not sure about the others, but this guy was literally sacked for incompetence.
I don't understand all this brouhaha and the insults (or scrutiny) leveled against the Chinese PAP as a whole. I could understand simple comments or concerns about a specific platoon, the immediate commanding officers, a company, brigade, etc. However, claiming this issue is pervasive throughout the entire service seems wrong. Furthermore, arguing that such sloppiness demonstrates the unreadiness, unseriousness, and unpreparedness of the entire PAP is, I believe, a major stretch.
Even if the harsh judgments and caricatured remarks against the PAP were entirely true, it's still a massive leap of assumption, and the height of extreme hubris, to assume that any potential combat encounter they face would inevitably result in a lopsided loss. The unfortunate reality, clearly visible in the Ukraine-Russia war, is that artillery and drones inflict most troop casualties – no vest can protect soldiers from such threats.
I don't know if @by78 ever served in his country's armed forces, because he often comes across as a know-it-all, salty character when addressing someone on this forum about posts he finds unserious, repetitive, or otherwise lacking.
For a member who has been here a very long time, I would have thought he'd know how to make his points while maintaining some level of decorum and respect for individual members—unless, of course, those members are trolls or clearly acting in bad faith. Even though I understand where @by78's core argument comes from—related to technical/tactical training expertise (or lack thereof) and his perception of PAP soldiers appearing undisciplined—he really should convey his message with a level of respect befitting his standing on this forum.
Cut the cope guys. One of the fundamental capabilities expected of a professional military institution is to be able to enforce acceptable baseline training/appearance standards to even the dumbest mouth breathing retard that passes the entry pipeline. The frequent inability to properly don basic protective gear demonstrated by PLA/PAP personnel signals a failure in both training and enforcement of standards from lower level leadership. This is something that only gets worse under the stress of actual operations. Just look at the footage of PLA UN Peacekeepers in Mali having the exact same issues of wearing helmets and Vests backwards immediately following the suicide attack a decade ago.
PAP aside, the PLA does generally present a standard baseline appearance. The problem is that the standard baseline appearance is a vest with no plates inside.
What footage was that? Can you post it? In any case its after the 2018 military reforms though.
You are right in a way, lol. Different units vary, but as a general trend they seem more consistent with enforcing identical pouch layouts (regardless of role) and their really bad boot blousing method over the proper wear of protective equipment. And "no plates" is also cope. While there's definitely units that wear them properly with plates, just as many can be seen fucking it off. Also puts into question why they don't just issue cheap chest rigs for training tasks that don't require body armor.
It's true the overall situation has improved over the years, but the current standard still falls short of what would be expected from a professional military.
i feel like this one was a bit of a set up. i imagine the guy did not put that scope on himself, and someone should've been vetting that photo. but yes as the boss he is ultimately responsible for this.
by78
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Thank you for letting me know what you think of me. I care about it as much as the PAP cares about training its recruits on the proper handling of protective equipment and firearms, which is another way of saying not at all.
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why? what was shown in that photo was very worthy of discussion. I can see wearing the vest backwards because back then those vests were a new thing to them, but whats with wearing the helmet backwards?