Infantry Combat Equipment (non-firearm): Vests, Body Armor, NVGs, etc.

Sunbud said:

That would seem a more logical approach from a universalism and logistics point of view... do you know of any issues with the performance of the Type 07 pattern?

With regards to the Marine and airborne patterns, including the vehicles... blue doesn't blend in anywhere? A tourist might miss one of those marines if they were elbow deep off the beaches of Hawaii, but I can't think of anywhere where that pattern would be effective in combat, whilst blue uniforms are fine for show, would they switch to a more appropriate shade of the Type 07 in combat? If not, whoever is in charge is incredibly irresponsible.

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Really? Lol... Damn. The PLA has no dearth of Cartoonish episodes. This is no coincidence, no matter how many PLA apologists come our of the woodwork. There are way too many circumstantial evidences that the PLA just isn't up to task or isn't being prepared for real life combat. Man.. ..

Now... That stare

Sunbud said:

That would seem a more logical approach from a universalism and logistics point of view... do you know of any issues with the performance of the Type 07 pattern?

With regards to the Marine and airborne patterns, including the vehicles... blue doesn't blend in anywhere? A tourist might miss one of those marines if they were elbow deep off the beaches of Hawaii, but I can't think of anywhere where that pattern would be effective in combat, whilst blue uniforms are fine for show, would they switch to a more appropriate shade of the Type 07 in combat? If not, whoever is in charge is incredibly irresponsible.

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I read on Chinese BBS somewhere the PLA Marines purposely adopted a camo that does not blend in with surroundings so the AFVs' gunners and naval fire-support forward observers know where their troops are and (a) don't cause friendly fire, and (b) don't hold fire for fear of causing friendly fire.

No other marine force in the world has the mission profile demanded of the PLA Marines. If the landing zone is too contested, the USMC + others will simply look for another one. The PLA Marines has no such options when it comes to Taiwan as Taiwan is tiny and if the landing zones are all contested then bad luck they're assaulting a heavily-defended landing zone. Under such circumstances, accurate and dependable fire support is much more valuable than camouflage.

With increasing adoption of PGMs, however, the dependency on Mk 1 eyeballs for fire-support target acquisition decreases so it is possible that the PLA Marines will switch to a conventional camo within the next decade. Instead they might all wear an IR-reflective pattern on their backs so friendly FLIRs can see where their vanguards are. Still, PGMs and FLIRs are very recent additions to the PLA and I would expect some time before they roll out new camo schemes to take advantage of these new technologies.

Yodello said:

Really? Lol... Damn. The PLA has no dearth of Cartoonish episodes. This is no coincidence, no matter how many PLA apologists come our of the woodwork. There are way too many circumstantial evidences that the PLA just isn't up to task or isn't being prepared for real life combat. Man.. ..

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It is sad sometimes to see. Anyone who has been paying attention to the PLA training for the last few years, including myself must admit that there has been a significant pivot of training to be more intense and combat oriented rather than purely looking good. We also see much more common deployment of body armour, NVGs, ballistic goggles, etc. among lots of fine details...

However, as you mentioned, it is very clear that we are still in a transition period of the old "looking good" and the new "combat readiness" training. Examples are soldiers front flips whilst firing, which are almost completely redundant in combat, but look good, are still seen in exercises among others... Yet one cannot ignore the strides that have been made, nor the incompetencies and improvements that still exist and are yet to be made.

If necessary, start a new thread or move to existing training thread to keep this thread purely about equipment?

Sunbud said:

Examples are soldiers front flips whilst firing

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I have never seen this practised by the PLA. At most, they do a roll to rapidly transition from a sprint to a kneeling or prone shooting position.

I have, however, seen something similar practised by the Russians where they do a flip while throwing an axe.

jobjed said:

I have never seen this practised by the PLA. At most, they do a roll to rapidly transition from a sprint to a kneeling or prone shooting position.

I have, however, seen something similar practised by the Russians where they do a flip while throwing an axe.

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Yes, I meant a rapid roll instead of a front flip . I see what you mean by transitioning from a sprint to a crouched/prone firing position.
Here is the example of what I mean, I think we are talking about the same thing, look at 19:54.

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/pla-infantry-training-discussion.t8256/
New thread to discuss Infantry training, doctrine etc. so we can keep this thread for talking about infantry equipment.

I know it's the PAP, but it's still relevant seeing that the branch has been subsumed under the command of the Central Military Commission.

New-ish tactical helmets

It's Either an Opscore FAST or a Clone there in. I am actually leaning to clone because there seems to lack a stripe of Velcro that runs from the patches over the ear across.
It's not the non Ballistic version as, although that also lacks the velcro band it has vents along the crown of the dome.

Yodello said:

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"OH GOD THE SOS IS COMING BACK UP...."
Something I am noticing is that the Chinese Multicam looks almost faded compared to US issue, Even pre 2010 multicam has richer colors
This is a 2007 photo of US Army Rangers wearing multicam

See how strong the colors are. The 7 colors are

1. Cream 524
2. Tan 525
3. Pale Green 526
4. Olive 527
5. Dark Green 528
6. Brown 529
7. Dark Brown 530

Now after the Official adoption in 2010 Multicam was reformulated to make it work better in the Near IR. This is OCP or Operational Camouflage Pattern ( 1 ) This resulted in a slightly darker shade. these Shades carried over into Scorpion W2 which is officially also Operational Camouflage Pattern (2)
When compared these are the new color mix.

1. Dark Cream 559
2. Tan 525
3. Light Sage 560
4. Olive 527
5. Dark Green 528
6. Brown 529
7. Bark Brown 561

my source on this