India's Akash SAM validates simultaneous intercept capability

vincelee

Junior Member
"This itself proves conclusively that the radar of the Akash is completely indigenous and not copied from the Flap radar of the S-300.
It only borrows its concepts like the FT-2000 borrows the concept of anti-radiation homing from HARM missiles."

I didn't know pot came in Curry flavor. I mean for you to draw such a parallel, you MUST have had some "opening of the mind" with some good ole' purple haze.

FT-2000 uses passive homing and home on jam anti radiation CONCEPTS, so to draw the parallel, you must say that the Akash's radar draws on the same concept......as every other god damned ground based non active radar on the planet. I'm curious, just what unique concepts does the flip lid has that was "borrowed" by Akash? The fliplid shape?

And how the hell does this conclude that Akask's FCR is not a domestic copy? Anyone? India MANUFACTURING a radar doesn't mean it's a new design. If that's the case, half of the flankers would be "OF CHINESE DESIGN". I mean seriously, India is not exactly known for its manufacturing prowess, and producing such a radar from a relatively low techbase, especially in semi conductors, is good news for the Indians. But FOR YOU TO CLAIM THAT IT'S A NEW DESIGN IS, HOW SHOULD I PUT IT, VERY TYPICAL OF YOU.
 
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Indianfighter

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Quoted by FreeAsia2000
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Are you saying Akash is MORE accurate than Patriot ?!
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It must be equal if not more accurate than the Patriot missile, due to continuous thrust throughout its flight.

Quoted by vincelee
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FT-2000 uses passive homing and home on jam anti radiation CONCEPTS, so to draw the parallel, you must say that the Akash's radar draws on the same concept......as every other god damned ground based non active radar on the planet. I'm curious, just what unique concepts does the flip lid has that was "borrowed" by Akash? The fliplid shape?

And how the hell does this conclude that Akask's FCR is not a domestic copy? Anyone? India MANUFACTURING a radar doesn't mean it's a new design. If that's the case, half of the flankers would be "OF CHINESE DESIGN".
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The Flap radar of the S-300 that was sold to India by Russia, did not come with Transfer of Technology or licence production. Hence, DRDO could not have based the Rajendra radar on the embedded systems/chips of the S-300 radar.

The system is entirely indigenous. It is similar in shape in size to the radar of the S-300.

In contrast, the JL-10 radar of China is an export variant of the Zhuk radar of Russia. In this case, Russia provided the technology of the radar to China for further enhancement.
Hence, the JL-10 is not an indigenous radar.

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The S-300 systems have been purchased by India, only because the Akash and Nag are medium to short range SAMs only.
They would be a stop-gap measure.

India is interested in an AMD system based on the Akash missile.

The following are quotations from some articles:

India says not to accept missile defense shield from anyone:

NEW DELHI: India Tuesday said it would not accept a missile defense shield from any country including the United States and is developing its own system to counter threats posed by ballistic missiles and enemy aircraft.

"What we are interested in is developing our own missile program, which we are doing. There is no question of accepting a missile (defense) shield from anyone," India's Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee was quoted by Indo-Asian News Service as telling a news conference here.

Mukherjee, who signed a 10-year defense cooperation agreement with the United States during a visit to the country last week, said India was interested in acquiring technology to bridge gaps in its indigenous missile defense program.

"If we get (the technology) from them (the United States), it is fine. If not, we will continue with our own program," he said.

This was the first categorical assertion by any senior leader of the Indian government led by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh that India would not join any missile defense shield being forged by other countries.

The United States has sent several senior officials to New Delhi in recent months to brief the Indian administration on its missile defense program and invited Indian military officials as observers to its missile defense tests.

During Mukherjee's visit, the United States announced it would advance a proposed briefing on its Patriot PAC-III -- one of the most sophisticated missile defense systems in the world -- as a part of the second phase of the Next Steps in Strategic Partnership.

India's Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) :laugh: has been working on a missile defense system over the past few years that will marry the home-grown Akash missile with the indigenous Rajendra radar.

The DRDO has also acquired the Green Pine radar from Israel as part of its work on the missile defense system.

There have also been reports that DRDO was exploring the possibility of merging the Russian S300-V missile defense system with the Akash missile, Indo-Asian News said.

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"The “PAC-3 will at least bridge the gap before the indigenous system comes of an age,” Indian Defense Minister Pranab Mukherjee has declared."

Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee on Wednesday ruled out any move to convert the short range surface-to-surface Prithvi missile into an anti-missile or a nuclear shield.

"There are no plans to integrate Prithvi missile with Israeli Greenpine radar as a defence cover in respect of nuclear threat," Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee told the Rajya Sabha in written answer.

The Minister's reply assumes significance amidst reports that Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) has been working on a project to develop an anti-missile shield. But experts feel that Prithvi with its liquid base propellent does not fill the bill.

While working on development of an indigenous system, India is also looking to acquire such a system from abroad with the US administration now offering it advanced Patriot PAC-3 anti-missile system.

Moreover, India has announced plans to develop a two-tier ballistic missile defence system to deal with incoming ballistic missiles. The system is to use satellites for communications and a unique two layered defensive line using surface-to-air missile for any incoming ballistic missile attack.(23)

This will no doubt represent a massive challenge to India's technological capabilities and significant imports may yet be necessary, but the Akash has demonstrated that the basic skills and technologies have been developed and can be substantially enhanced without too much foreign input.

However, assistance may come from a somewhat unexpected source. During Aero India 2003, the European missile giant - MBDA and Bharat Dynamics Limited signed a very promising Memorandum of Understanding to extend co-operation in development and also manufacture of all varieties of missile systems including anti-tank, surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles required both by the Indian Armed Forces and those abroad.(24)

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MIGleader

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There is already a "poor man's patriot" in existance, better known as the s-300. The s-300 can offer equal if not superior prformance to a pac-3(more range, better accuracy and kill ability against convetional targets such as aircraft and cruise missles), for up to 1/2 the price. It can stay in its container for 10 years without maintenance. Perhaps india can work towards that kind of perfromance, and a market awaits indeed. But in order too, it must lay off of the s-300 radar and get some help from israel to develop an indegedous one.

As you wish, golle and pisigma
 
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Gollevainen

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Akash is a joke.

Now india's trying to copy the radar, putting it on an older missle frame, and calling it a "poor man's" patriot is absolutely disgraceful.

No weapon system is a joke, not even the most failure ones. Every single produced equipment in an fileds usually requires lots of work and input form many people. Do you think it's bit unfair to say that their effort is a joke by some teenagers in some internet forum?

...And the worst thing in this situation is that once again, a chinese calls indian equipment a joke...i don't know if indians have already said something similar for some chinese equipment in this thread and frankly i don't care. Flaiming in this matter is moving on the edge as it's proven out to be one of the most proplematic issue in the whole forum. So lets not do it shall we?

....becouse if this thread turns out to be flaming fight....the ones starting it gets holiday...got it?:nono: :nono:
 

PiSigma

"the engineer"
any more indian bashing will not be tollerated. if you want to say something about the Akash, talk about it's system, but don't critisize without constructive feedback.
 
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