India's Akash SAM validates simultaneous intercept capability

ArjunMk1 said:

@ tphuang : Here by 'multi targeting' me and Vinclee mean targeting and neutralising two closely flying targets !!
Heres an old description abt Akash :

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(currently range and tracking system has been improved)

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Cool, but I still think there are more countries than the 5 UN council countries that can do this. Basically, you are talking about better radar and software to distinguish closely flying targets. The technical difficulty isn't as hard as you are suggesting.

tphuang said:

Cool, but I still think there are more countries than the 5 UN council countries that can do this. Basically, you are talking about better radar and software to distinguish closely flying targets. The technical difficulty isn't as hard as you are suggesting.

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Yes they have it , but its a great achievement for a developing nation like India.
Especially when operating in such tight budget and hooks of foreign companies pressuring the Government to close such projects !!!

With all the money and engineers that India has (India has some VERY TALENTED engineers), this is all India can come up with? Now I am not wanting India to make something like the S-300, but the SA-6 can easily outperform this missile. And I always thought that the Akash was a decent copy of the SA-6.

India needs to more efficently use its resources and stop relying heavily on other countries. India can do it, but when will they?

last time I checked, DRDO employed up to 10000 scientists. I guess failing Arjun, LCA, the indefinite shelfing of the MCA and a delay in procurements must have hit DRDO hard enough to publish this shit.

crazyinsane105 said:

With all the money and engineers that India has (India has some VERY TALENTED engineers), this is all India can come up with? Now I am not wanting India to make something like the S-300, but the SA-6 can easily outperform this missile. And I always thought that the Akash was a decent copy of the SA-6.

India needs to more efficently use its resources and stop relying heavily on other countries. India can do it, but when will they?

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Akash is not a copy. The missile system is similar and based on SA6 (Kvadrat) and Pechoras . But unlike straight flush radar of the formers Akash uses phased array radar called Rajendra which is based of S300's tracking radar !!!

ArjunMk1 said:

Akash is not a copy. The missile system is similar and based on SA6 (Kvadrat) and Pechoras . But unlike straight flush radar of the formers Akash uses phased array radar called Rajendra which is based of S300's tracking radar !!!

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And with all of this the Indians finally succeeded in making a multi-tracking anti-air system, something that was out in the market about a decade and a half ago. I wouldn't mind at all if the Akash was a copy of the SA-6 because the SA-6 has a fearful reputation and can be very useful in the Pak-India scenario.

crazyinsane105 said:

And with all of this the Indians finally succeeded in making a multi-tracking anti-air system, something that was out in the market about a decade and a half ago. I wouldn't mind at all if the Akash was a copy of the SA-6 because the SA-6 has a fearful reputation and can be very useful in the Pak-India scenario.

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not quite iseral has learn detial on the SA-6 missile which enable them to defeat the syrians

frankly the radar is impressive for india to built

but the missile ????

the missile its self uses 50s tech even older then the s-300

I wodent want to base any future SAm system on such a missile too little development potenial

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This itself proves conclusively that the radar of the Akash is completely indigenous and not copied from the Flap radar of the S-300.
It only borrows its concepts like the FT-2000 borrows the concept of anti-radiation homing from HARM missiles.

A longer range version is being developed. The Army intends to use the Rajendra radar in the artillery locating role as well. This happened by chance when upon testing the radar, it picked up artillery shells being fired from a nearby range.

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The similarities between the SA-6 and the Akash are in the airframe.

I quote from the (now outdated) site from Bharat Rakshak:

"In appearance, Akash is very similar to the ZRK-SD Kub (SA-6), with four long tube ramjet inlet ducts mounted mid-body between wings."

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The update on the Akash system is as follows:

"can track 100 targets simultaneously with onboard radar, move at 600 meters a second and deliver a 55-kilogram warhead across 27 kilometers in 50 seconds."

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As for Akash's comparison with the patriot, one may refer to the following news report:

India's Patriot

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Some excerpts:

"Akash is not yet an anti-missile missile whereas Patriot is. So where is the comparison? The answer was given by Prahlada in another context: Akash is the poor man’s Patriot. "It will be a real-time Patriot-1 for poor nations," said Prahlada.

Senior scientists in the DRDO believe that Akash can later be developed into a full-scale anti-missile weapon system. This has apparently prompted the Americans to offer Patriot.

Having successfully tested it more than 40 times, the DRDO is confident that Akash will be effective against low-flying missiles, aircraft and unmanned aerial vehicles. Unlike Patriot, Akash can be launched from static or mobile platforms, including a battle tank.

The missile has a range of 25 km, but what makes it superior to Patriot, apart from the mobility of its platform, is that it has thrust during the entire course of its 35-second flight. Patriot has thrust only for 12 seconds, after which the missile coasts, thus making it less accurate than Akash."

The article explains (more properly than the BR site), about the detailed working of the Akash SAM.

Indianfighter said:

The missile has a range of 25 km, but what makes it superior to Patriot, apart from the mobility of its platform, is that it has thrust during the entire course of its 35-second flight. Patriot has thrust only for 12 seconds, after which the missile coasts, thus making it less accurate than Akash."

The article explains (more properly than the BR site), about the detailed working of the Akash SAM.

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Are you saying Akash is MORE accurate than Patriot ?!

If the patriot is such a lame missle, then a "poor mans" patriot must be even lamer. 25 kilometers? thats is pathertic, as there are tv guided bimbes that can be fired from further away than that. The s-300pmu(early 90s version) even had a range of 100km. Is this missle even hardened against ecm?