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asif iqbal

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Pretty sure side by side replenishments are for fuel (assuming you're talking about the pipes they connect ships with).

And almost all modern chinese ships should have desalination plants, and the only necessity for water replenishment from the AOR would be crates of bottled water for drinking I think. It's not like they source desalinated water from the AOR itself... because each ship has their own plant anyway.

I always thought the replenishment tankers transfer fluids from each station one for fuel and one for water, that's the black hoses that usually connected up I dont think thats fuel only, ships can make thier own water but sometimes it might not be sufficient

Then dry food can be transfered using the pallets which can be pulled across by the line, Maybe the hoses also carry fresh water to storage tanks on the warships

So I would say warships can make thier own water for cleaning, washing and use with the ship but drinking water comes in from the AOR

In turn AOR gets fresh water from the port visits but can also transfer general purpose water through its hose lines
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Desalination is hardly new or cutting edge technology, and I would be amazed if even order Chinese warships don't have them as standard.

I do believe that when a warship connects to an UNREP ship, they can take on water as well as fuel. The reason for that, as well as the UNREP ship itself taking on fresh water at port is twofold.

Firstly, desalination plants are notoriously expensive to operate, that is why they have not really taken off commerically anywhere except for a few super rich Gulf states who have cash to burn. I am sure the warships were all designed to be fully self sufficient in water from its onboard desalination plant, but it run the plant at those levels would be extremely costly. So it just makes far better economic sense to buy fresh water at port and then pump it over to the warships as they refuel.

Secondly, warships are warships and not cruise liners. When I talked about being self sufficient in water from desalination plants, that would not be in terms of everyone being able to use as much water as they like. I would imagine drinking water won't be any issue, but for secondary uses such as washing, cleaning etc, water use would need to be rationed to make sure there is enough water available for essential needs of the ship and crew.

If they get water from port and also top up from the UNREP ship during resupply, those limitations on water use could be greatly relaxed or even waved altogether. This may seem like a small think now, but when you are deployed for months on end out at sea, that would make a big difference to your quality of life and in turn boost moral.

On a side note, water from desalination plants would be perfectly drinkable, in fact, it would almost certainly be cleaner and purer than what you or I might get out of our own taps at home because the desalination process itself requires a much higher level of filtration and purification than what your average mains water purification plant would employ (hence why desalination plants are more expensive to build and operate).

There would be little point in having desalination plants otherwise because a crew can go without washing or use seawater for that if pushed, but they cannot drink sea water. The water they buy at port is actually almost certainly to be the stuff they use for none drinking purposes like washing, cleaning etc because:
1) It would be cheaper than desalination or bottled water.
2) It would be more efficient. They would just buy mains water, which would be far easier and quicker to take onboard and fill their storage tanks with, rather than pallets and pallets of bottled water which would take more time to load and transfer to the warships, and which would also take up additional storage space better used for dry consumables.
3) It would be safer. Not all countries have the same standards when it comes to mains water, and even in many parts of China, mains water is not safe to drink straight out of the taps, and need to be boiled first. If you take drinking water onboard from foreign ports, there is little control you have over the quality and safety of that water, and it could even pose a security risk as an enemy or terrorists could potentially poison or contaminate that water and incapacitate or kill many members of your crew before the sabotage was discovered. Even if the water was uncompromised, you would still want to at least boil it before allowing the crew to drink it. That takes a lot of energy to do, and you also actually loose a great deal of that water in the form of evaporation in the process.
 

mr.bean

Junior Member
Great videos. Here's the 1st.


[video=youtube;oiz4o4qR4uk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiz4o4qR4uk[/video]

holy shit that was the best youtube video I've ever seen on aircraft carrier/take off & landings. the images are on stunning HD! looks like the Russians did an awesome job rebuilding this carrier for india. it was breathtaking to watch this. india has got itself a nice ship and the Mig-29 looks very badass too.
 

Jeff Head

General
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that was the best youtube video I've ever seen on aircraft carrier/take off & landings. the images are on stunning HD! looks like the Russians did an awesome job rebuilding this carrier for india. it was breathtaking to watch this. india has got itself a nice ship and the Mig-29 looks very badass too.
The Vikramaditya when loaded with Mig-29Ks will be no slouch. It will be an effective and capable aircraft carrier.

When they get their indigenous carrier, the Vikrant, completed (which they recently launched at about 85% complete) which can carry even more Mig-29Ks, they will be establishing themselves as a strong blue water presence.
 

Blitzo

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Finally a recent pic or two of the kolkata class destroyers at mazagon, alongside the viraat undergoing refit?...

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Pics are blurred and distant, but at least the israeli APAR finally seems fitted, with other subsystems looking ready too. Should be ready for sea trial soon, but I'm not sure how far along the other two are.


But as a pure naval watcher, I have to say the shipyard's laying down of the first ship in 2003, and still not having it venture on its first sea trial ten years later, is abysmal. IN really needs to sort their shipbuilding out. Who knows, maybe use of modular construction for P17A and P15B can hurry their progress a little. They'll need to, if they want an escort fleet for their carriers that are competitive to those of US, UK, france, and china (not to mention the formidable surface combatant fleet of JMSDF that can force an ARG or SAG around izumos or hyugas)
 

FORBIN

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2 Kolkata here 18°58'9.11"N 72°50'56.26"E Mazagon Dock shipyard close Mumbai.

Second picture is a future view ? Viraat Homeport is Mumbai and sometimes repair to Cochin 9°57'8.49"N 76°17'5.68"E in february 2013. Where CV Vikrant II is build.

Indian programs are often very slow because administration and corruption sometimes. Kolkata, fighter Tejas ...
 
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vincent

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was the investigation of the kilo explosion over? any news on that front?
 
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