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siegecrossbow

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Deino

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Instead of listening to the clowns in Pakistan's military establishment, listen to John Spencer and Tom Cooper, who are actually qualified to talk about modern warfare. They have published detailed analyses of Operation Sindoor, including PDF reports, and have given interviews to several media outlets. Their work is read by governments, militaries, and defense professionals around the world.

Pakistan military's propaganda wing, DG ISPR, it isn't taken seriously in pakistan itself, let alone in India or rest of the world.


Pardon to step in, but the only clown in town here is you and most of all Tom Cooper! He is neither a historian - he never studied either military related stuff or history on any university - or an analyst for India! As such, he is more or less the same like so many including myself: He is a longtime lurker and data collector on certain topics (mostly Iranian and ME & Arab Air Forces) and as such knows a lot aka has lots of experience, but especially since I worked more than hard with him on two books I can confirm, he is all but an academic analyst, in fact, his ability to think critically, to read and evaluate several conflicting sources and to draw his own conclusions from them – in other words, what defines an analyst – is mediocre at best.

Instead, he tends to make judgements on a whim, is unwilling to revise decisions or statements once made, even in the face of new facts or evidence, and often reacts completely inappropriately to criticism – even purely factual criticism – instead always becoming completely unhinged, insulting and aggressive. No wonder he’s been banned from almost all reputable forums …

So, to summarise briefly once more: T.C. is NOT a historian, and certainly not an analyst, nor is he even an expert on the Indian scene.
I would even go so far as to say that he is now a paid propagandist, although he probably doesn’t even realise that he is simply being exploited here by the Indian side as a ‘useful idiot’.

And as for your claim that he has “published detailed analyses of Operation Sindoor, including PDF reports”… anyone can do that these days! Just put together some colourful PDF reports and then claim to be an analyst. His invitations to certain Indian stations for interviews even more underlines what I said above!

Sorry to be that rude, But again I worked with him for years and it was more or less in the end a pain in the a..! He is a most arrogant idiot, who has NO CLUE at all and always blamed others for his faults!

By the way, just look at his gang of authors for his books on India, Pakistan and especially China! None is rated a credible analyst, most are not even known in this scene! But yes for sure, they are "actually qualified to talk about modern warfare. They have published detailed analyses ..., including PDF reports, and have given interviews to several media outlets."! ;)
 
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phrozenflame

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Pakistan military is nothing like the Indian, U.S., British, or French militaries. The Indian Armed Forces are subordinate to the elected government and exist to carry out its orders, nothing more. In Pakistan, the military owns the country and is answerable to none,

Pakistan military's doctrine is derived from religion of Islam. The current Army Chief, Asim Munir, is a Hafiz-e-Quran and previously taught Quran in a madrasa. In contrast military doctrine or state policy of India has got nothing to do with any religion
I dont know man, only in India does the pilot recieve highest millitary award for being shot down by ignoring orders, getting slapped by locals and imagined F-16 shoot down without firing off a single missile.
 

Ringsword

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I dont know man, only in India does the pilot recieve highest millitary award for being shot down by ignoring orders, getting slapped by locals and imagined F-16 shoot down without firing off a single missile.
Or these jaihind types award a medal to Shubanshu Shukla the recent US NASAspace tourist lauding him as an indian astronaut???also awarded was the several would-be-indian astronauts in waiting-none of which has done anything yet.Strange people.
 
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Gloire_bb

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Btw, we can draw an interesting scheme of Tejas evolution. Interesting, as most such changes nowadays develop purely on conceptual stage. Here, instead it's a Warthunder progression line.
...the interesting part, however, is AMCA.
As we established, Tejas line, for all it's hardship, is neat and logical, producing two well-rounded and well thought aircraft.

It is more complex with AMCA.
First of all, AMCA itself is more or less a translation of Tejas mk2 tech stack onto a parallel medium weight counterpart.

The more interesting is what AMCA is.
Pylon configuration is complex: 1 standard wide IWB, 6 underwing points; 1 shoulder point for targeting pod.
I.e. jet doesn't carry neither IRST nor EOTS inside.

This is rather counterintuitive: in 5 gen, you can do it 3 ways:
- you don't really think about fighting other 5 gens(f-22) and just aim at bullying 4.5 gens. For this, just one radar set is good enough. A sensible choice for a 2006 aircraft.
- you are strike/multirole, and install EOTS inside. EOTS doubles as a worse IRST v stealth aircraft.
- you are A2A first, and you supplement your radar with means more effective v stealth equals: IRST, DBR.
Some aircraft don't bother chosing (Kaan/Kizilelma).

The problem is that some don't bother picking anything: and that's AMCA.
It doesn't have IRST; i.e. it's ability to target 5th generation is ironically below Tejas mk.2 and potentially even Rafale. It will always lose detection/id race.
It doesn't have internal bombsight either - i.e., as a multirole, it's rather constrained in LO configuration(or, in permissible configuration, it's barely better than Tejas mk.2...for twice the aircraft and golden F414).
Finally, at least to date, India didn't really demonstrate much in suitable internal weapons for it's bays. Granted, 500kg bombs(gravity and glide kits) will probably fit. But this isn't a very high bar, certainly not enough to justify an aircraft.

Do I miss something? What's it supposed to be good at? The only clue I could come up with is AMCA is almost exactly same size with mig-29, i.e. (similarly to LCA) is a heavier interceptor designed to fit into same HAS. But it was never explicitly written, and frankly this isn't enough of a reason to exist.
 
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Clango

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...the interesting part, however, is AMCA.
As we established, Tejas line, for all it's hardship, is neat and logical, producing two well-rounded and well thought aircraft.

It is more complex with AMCA.
First of all, AMCA itself is more or less a translation of Tejas mk2 tech stack onto a parallel medium weight counterpart.

The more interesting is what AMCA is.
Pylon configuration is complex: 1 standard wide IWB, 6 underwing points; 1 shoulder point for targeting pod.
I.e. jet doesn't carry neither IRST nor EOTS inside.

This is rather counterintuitive: in 5 gen, you can do it 3 ways:
- you don't really think about fighting other 5 gens(f-22) and just aim at bullying 4.5 gens. For this, just one radar set is good enough. A sensible choice for a 2006 aircraft.
- you are strike/multirole, and install EOTS inside. EOTS doubles as a worse IRST v stealth aircraft.
- you are A2A first, and you supplement your radar with means more effective v stealth equals: IRST, DBR.
Some aircraft don't bother chosing (Kaan/Kizilelma).

The problem is that some don't bother picking anything: and that's AMCA.
It doesn't have IRST; i.e. it's ability to target 5th generation is ironically below Tejas mk.2 and potentially even Rafale. It will always lose detection/id race.
It doesn't have internal bombsight either - i.e., as a multirole, it's rather constrained in LO configuration(or, in permissible configuration, it's barely better than Tejas mk.2...for twice the aircraft and golden F414).
Finally, at least to date, India didn't really demonstrate much in suitable internal weapons for it's bays. Granted, 500kg bombs(gravity and glide kits) will probably fit. But this isn't a very high bar, certainly not enough to justify an aircraft.

Do I miss something? What's it supposed to be good at?
It's the token "future fighter project" that they can keep pointing at to insist that India is also a power capable of developing advanced fighter aircraft, the implications of the AMCA at this point is worth more than whatever this project could possibly produce.
 

Gloire_bb

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It's the token "future fighter project" that they can keep pointing at to insist that India is also a power capable of developing advanced fighter aircraft, the implications of the AMCA at this point is worth more than whatever this project could possibly produce.
So was the LCA, but it doesn't prevent it from being well thought out.
Either we need some serious Indian commentary (and serious Indian commentators are rare), or I struggle to explain what I see.
Pure "Hi" couple to Tejas mk2? Ok, but it is done in a rather strange manner.
 
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