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[_killuminati_]

the area seems near to Pak's Balochistan?

Been talking about it for a decade. India buckled out of the deal previously due to US pressure. And today, US bombed that Indian port in Chabahar along with the infrastructure around it,

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[bsdnf]

Instead of listening to the clowns in Pakistan's military establishment, listen to John Spencer and Tom Cooper, who are actually qualified to talk about modern warfare. They have published detailed analyses of Operation Sindoor, including PDF reports, and have given interviews to several media outlets. Their work is read by governments, militaries, and defense professionals around the world.

Pakistan military's propaganda wing, DG ISPR, it isn't taken seriously in pakistan itself, let alone in India or rest of the world.

Retired U.S. Army officer and Austrian military aviation historian

I don't really want to bring up old grievances, I just want to say that given Pakistanis's sense of news control and secrecy (spoiler alert: it's practically nonexistent; on the contrary, India is far more disciplined), their claims are completely unfounded.

I just smell fishy for these guys.

 

[Anhad]

Retired U.S. Army officer and Austrian military aviation historian

I don't really want to bring up old grievances, I just want to say that given Pakistanis's sense of news control and secrecy (spoiler alert: it's practically nonexistent; on the contrary, India is far more disciplined), their claims are completely unfounded.

I just smell fishy for these guys.

Pakistan military is nothing like the Indian, U.S., British, or French militaries. The Indian Armed Forces are subordinate to the elected government and exist to carry out its orders, nothing more. In Pakistan, the military owns the country and is answerable to none,

Pakistan military's doctrine is derived from religion of Islam. The current Army Chief, Asim Munir, is a Hafiz-e-Quran and previously taught Quran in a madrasa. In contrast military doctrine or state policy of India has got nothing to do with any religion

 

[bsdnf]

Pakistan military is nothing like the Indian, U.S., British, or French militaries. The Indian Armed Forces are subordinate to the elected government and exist to carry out its orders, nothing more. In Pakistan, the military owns the country and is answerable to none,

Pakistan military's doctrine is derived from religion of Islam. The current Army Chief, Asim Munir, is a Hafiz-e-Quran and previously taught Quran in a madrasa. In contrast military doctrine or state policy of India has got nothing to do with any religion

I don't care about these ideological differences; they're irrelevant. I'm only talking about concrete actions.

Regardless of their reasons "for the greater good," "military secrets," or whatever. India's news censorship is far superior to Pakistan's, yet videos and photos of multiple fighter jet wreckages still leaked, even though the reports were subsequently deleted.

As for Pakistan: Zero. Even if civilians literally took photos near artillery positions, even if they were foolish enough to mistake the wreckage of their own suicide drones as Indian's, or even if they filmed BrahMos hitting their airfield. Even if I also have doubts about Pakistan's claims and believe they are somewhat exaggerated. For example, I can't see any evidence that more Rafale destroyed other than that one was. It remains zero.

Like many friends on forums, I followed the entire incident, and to this day, still zero evidence of PAF fighter jet wreckage.

 

[_killuminati_]

Suppose there are two air forces. One has a much larger number of fighter jets, while the other has a smaller fighter fleet but a higher aircraft availability rate, more loyal wingman drones, AWACS, aerial refueling tankers, electronic warfare aircraft, and a stronger surface-to-air missile network. It also has all of these systems seamlessly integrated into a single operational framework.

Which air force do you think would be more effective, the one with more fighter jets, or the one with a better overall force structure and a more integrated combat capability?

IAF attrition rate is the worst in the world and actual aircraft availability hovers just over 50% which is ridiculously low. Do you know how many aircraft IAF lost in the 6 months of this year? Half a dozen, after about a dozen last year, and not Mig-21's but your top aicraft - Sukhoi and Mirage. All that out of combat while in combat your top aircraft were shot down, your pilot crashed in enemy territory and your SAM shot down your own helicopter.

Your farcical ranking gives points for nonexistent future acquisitions which we know India always has big plans of - plans that seldom materialize. For example, the MMRCA plan of 126 aircraft that has been lingering for quarter of a century + hundreds of Tejas on order while it doesn't even have an engine to operate with, all of it yield special cookie points to India in bogus rankings. India is all about "will be", "plans", "in the future", with nothing to show in reality.

Indian Air Force has the Vayulink data link, which allows fighter aircraft of different origins to share data with one another, for example, Rafales can exchange information with Su-30MKIs.

Nonsense. Vayulink hasn't been fielded on any aircraft yet and currently is restricted to ground stations. Moreover, none of your foreign aircraft suppliers have given you source codes to allow any seamless integration among different origin aircraft, i.e. MKI has no datalink with Rafale and has to rely on voice over radio for comms.
This is another one of your "will be; plans".

 

[ar46]

Instead of listening to the clowns in Pakistan's military establishment, listen to John Spencer and Tom Cooper, who are actually qualified to talk about modern warfare. They have published detailed analyses of Operation Sindoor, including PDF reports, and have given interviews to several media outlets. Their work is read by governments, militaries, and defense professionals around the world.

Pakistan military's propaganda wing, DG ISPR, it isn't taken seriously in pakistan itself, let alone in India or rest of the world.

 

[zyklon]

Instead of listening to the clowns in Pakistan's military establishment, listen to John Spencer and Tom Cooper, who are actually qualified to talk about modern warfare. They have published detailed analyses of Operation Sindoor, including PDF reports, and have given interviews to several media outlets.

You sound like someone who'd pay a stripper $$$-$$$$ to tell you how much they like, respect and want you in the VIP.

In case you missed it: Tom Cooper and John Spencer are effectively doing the same, except with deeply insecure Indian audiences desperately trying to convince themselves that their supposedly great and purportedly mighty country was not pwn'd by a significantly smaller and humbler neighbor in May 2025.

I'm no fan of

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, but in this instance: these two genuinely deserve props and kudos for

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the Indian public's peerless propensity for collective self-deception!

Pakistan military's propaganda wing, DG ISPR, it isn't taken seriously in pakistan itself, let alone in India or rest of the world.

You guys really ought to stop underestimating Pakistan, lest you enjoy the national humiliations.

Under normal-ish circumstances, no country will publicly acknowledge their ability to materially collect on comms between high end enemy platforms.

Therefore, the PAF's disclosure in question imply they ain't concerned with prized SIGINT capabilities for exploiting IAF comms expiring down the road.

In other words: IAF fighters were communicating over underencrypted alternate comms, if not unencrypted contingency comms during Operation Sindoor.

Don't know if Indian primary comms fell victim to superior Pakistani EW, failed to perform as promised due to lackluster domestic integration capabilities, or if you guys were just sold

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. Guessing a combination thereof.

Regardless, can't wait to witness the next glorious chapter of unimpeachable Jai Hind, Jai Bharat military triumphs!

 

[Clango]

Btw, we can draw an interesting scheme of Tejas evolution. Interesting, as most such changes nowadays develop purely on conceptual stage. Here, instead it's a Warthunder progression line.

Tejas 1 IOC: 6+1(pod) suspension points; Assuming 2 FTs and lack of initial BVR integration(Derby) - fail; plane can do either air policing or light strike only. (2 useful stations)
Now being updated to FOC software, which lets them BVR, but lack of the central station de facto keeps them at around Bison level.

Tejas 1 FOC: 7+1 suspension points. Got a central drop tank, as such - now there's no conflict between stores for interceptor/defca/light strike missions*.
Furthermore, to get around the difficulty of combining wing tanks with any sufficient number of BVR weapons - they went with the integration of ASRAAM (longest range light WVRAAM), which is just barely shorter ranged when compared to i-Derby.
*at least, in theory BVRAAM were never shown on inner stations; only bombs and tanks were. As such, in practice, plane still has 2 useful stations(3-4 in light strike). ASRAAM adds minimum/conditional self escort.

Tejas 1a: 7+1 suspension points. Key changes - Astra/ELTA 2052 integration, finally allowing competitive BVR.
Furthermore, a twin ASRAAM pylon was introduced: allows for a 2+2 weapons load while carrying around a jammer. Of course, with a corresponding heavy drag penalty, but it's a light fighter - something has to give way, as for now EW pod is clearly not possible on the auxiliary pod station.
Same stations, but now it's a fully capable GCI interceptor, and light strike / self escort grows substantially.

Tejas 2: big QOL changes, using more powerful engine and a larger wing: 11 suspension points; outer underwing points reinforced for BVRAAM; twin BVRAAM pylon introduced for midwing station. Finally, shoulder points are now full bomb pylons, rather than TP only.
Jammer also moved fully inside, EU style. Finally, larger drop tanks (1700/1300) allow much more freedom of replacing one of wing stations with heavy single load(such as Brahmos-MA.
All of that adds very little to intercept profiles, but it's a massive boost to self-escorted strike (nothing light anymore) and air superiority (ofca/defca/lacm intercept) profiles. Tejas 2 is unironically positioned to be a substantially better optimized fighter-bomber(but not fighter) than Gripen E. Though of course, only much later (10 years?)

Dude it's like they designed the plane just for war thunder, small upgrades that are relatively inconsequential in the grand scheme of things but large enough to give actual performance upgrades to warrant a new vehicle in war thunder

 

[Clango]

Pakistan military is nothing like the Indian, U.S., British, or French militaries. The Indian Armed Forces are subordinate to the elected government and exist to carry out its orders, nothing more. In Pakistan, the military owns the country and is answerable to none,

Pakistan military's doctrine is derived from religion of Islam. The current Army Chief, Asim Munir, is a Hafiz-e-Quran and previously taught Quran in a madrasa. In contrast military doctrine or state policy of India has got nothing to do with any religion

so this has anything to do with the PAF and IAF's performance and capabilities how?

 

[Ringsword]

People don't have to respond to every post they don't like.

I'm sorry Vincent but now in this universe of ragebait,hatebait,trashbait there is now jaihindbait-can't really ignore it as it really is a combination of all three previous 'baits plus delusion/fantasy and gangetic self-fellatio with a touch or more of antiChinese racism. I am a moth to the flame.