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Overbom

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Behold this gem from SP Singh, an Air Commodore (1 star general) titled
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, published in Spring 2022 (keep this time in mind) in the Journal Air Power (presumably aimed at a specialist/professional audience).

Some highlights from the segment on the PLAAF:

"The PLAAF has also dedicated a large portion of its strength of about 1600 combat-worthy aircraft that include primarily Su-27s and Su-30s with few J-11s."

"In the near future Su-35s are also likely to dominate the skies over the SCS."

"With an envious record rate of modernisation and upgrade of about 70 aircraft/year, the PLAAF has enhanced its fleet of fourth-generation fighters to almost 30 per cent of the combat-worthy fighter force."
Jfc. This coming from their generals (penned and then published by their journal) is as much hilarious as sad.

I can confidently say that I have seen Jai Hinds in that Indian military forum who are more knowledgable about Chinese capabilities than this guy lol
 
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tygyg1111

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Which lead me to wonder, what are India's intelligence capabilities towards China? They have very few Mandarin speakers and probability very limited HUMINT assets. Not a whole lot of satellites in orbit. Cyber capabilities probabilty aren't world-class, either. Institutionally, Indian intelligence probably has a Pakistan/anti-terror focus. Historically, they were completely unprepared in 1962.
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Bellum_Romanum

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I did some research on this topic and found an Indian think tank called
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, which is semi-official with director generals made up of retired Indian Air Marshalls (3 star generals) and articles penned by current high ranking IAF officers.

Behold this gem from SP Singh, an Air Commodore (1 star general) titled
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, published in Spring 2022 (keep this time in mind) in the Journal Air Power (presumably aimed at a specialist/professional audience).

Some highlights from the segment on the PLAAF:

"The PLAAF has also dedicated a large portion of its strength of about 1600 combat-worthy aircraft that include primarily Su-27s and Su-30s with few J-11s."

"In the near future Su-35s are also likely to dominate the skies over the SCS."

"With an envious record rate of modernisation and upgrade of about 70 aircraft/year, the PLAAF has enhanced its fleet of fourth-generation fighters to almost 30 per cent of the combat-worthy fighter force."

"The carrier based 4.5 Generation fighter JF-15 of PLAN, would augment the desired capability level to achieve China’s naval dominance in the region."

"The J-20 aircraft, once operational, would meet the PLAAF requirements of a high speed stealth interceptor against AWACS and other High Value Air Assets (HVAAs) of USAF."

"Though J-31 is not expected to enter service until 2035, the PLAAF appears to be focussed on early roll out of this highly capable platform that may prove to be a game changer."

"While Y-20 with 60 tonnes lift capability is yet to be fully operationalised, with only about 20 Il-76 of just 40 tonnes lift capability each, PLAAF will be in no position to support the massive airlift requirements during operations against USAF."

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Frankly, I am in shock. I must conclude that the average SDF member is more knowledgeable than the IAF high command.
It's pretty simple really, it's called "INTENTIONAL DELUSION" since some Indians or most can't accept that China is that far ahead of them in almost meaningful metrics of HDI, education, technology, influence, businesses, etc...and for some warped reasons, Indians place themselves so highly in terms of martial prowess and ergo their pride in the military domain.
 

ansy1968

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It's pretty simple really, it's called "INTENTIONAL DELUSION" since some Indians or most can't accept that China is that far ahead of them in almost meaningful metrics of HDI, education, technology, influence, businesses, etc...and for some warped reasons, Indians place themselves so highly in terms of martial prowess and ergo their pride in the military domain.
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Soldier30

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India tested Poland's Warmate drones. The Indian Special Operations Forces has published a video of testing the Warmate small loitering ammunition, manufactured by the Polish company WB Electronics. Earlier it was reported about the purchase of 100 kamikaze drones of this type by India. Drones of this type are also used by Turkey and Ukraine. Drones Warmate, developed in 2014 and designed for surveillance, tracking and identification of targets, it is also used as a kamikaze drone. The drone has a range of up to 10 km; if the target is not detected, the drone can return to base. The drone can stay in the air for up to 30 minutes and has a speed of up to 150 km/h, rising to a height of up to 500 meters. The maximum take-off weight of the drone is 4 kg, the drone is equipped with warheads with an explosive mass of up to 800 grams.

 

Abominable

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India tested Poland's Warmate drones. The Indian Special Operations Forces has published a video of testing the Warmate small loitering ammunition, manufactured by the Polish company WB Electronics. Earlier it was reported about the purchase of 100 kamikaze drones of this type by India. Drones of this type are also used by Turkey and Ukraine. Drones Warmate, developed in 2014 and designed for surveillance, tracking and identification of targets, it is also used as a kamikaze drone. The drone has a range of up to 10 km; if the target is not detected, the drone can return to base. The drone can stay in the air for up to 30 minutes and has a speed of up to 150 km/h, rising to a height of up to 500 meters. The maximum take-off weight of the drone is 4 kg, the drone is equipped with warheads with an explosive mass of up to 800 grams.

Seriously? That drone looks like it could have been made by a hobbyist. This is a country that is supposedly making 4th gen fighter jets.

I have a suggestion, replace the gas assisted takeoff for a catapult or rocket launch, you've just added a few extra pounds of payload.

At this point it seems like all you need to do is a hire a few engineering students, someone good with marketing and you can make millions scamming third world countries making these drones.
 

phrozenflame

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Just saw this post from Damien Symon

I find it incredulous how anyone could claim an Indian Air Force advantage with respect to China in 2023, but it appears that this is the concensus not only among the Jai Hind crowd but also the professional policy-making circles in India.

Which lead me to wonder, what are India's intelligence capabilities towards China? They have very few Mandarin speakers and probability very limited HUMINT assets. Not a whole lot of satellites in orbit. Cyber capabilities probabilty aren't world-class, either. Institutionally, Indian intelligence probably has a Pakistan/anti-terror focus. Historically, they were completely unprepared in 1962.

Could it be that Indians genuinely know very little about Chinese capabilities? Do they get their intel from second hand Western sources? If they buy Deino's books, would it be all new information?

Thoughts?
Forget China, they self-deluded themselves into get slapped by PAF, a much much smaller force.
 

pevade

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Seriously? That drone looks like it could have been made by a hobbyist. This is a country that is supposedly making 4th gen fighter jets.

I have a suggestion, replace the gas assisted takeoff for a catapult or rocket launch, you've just added a few extra pounds of payload.

At this point it seems like all you need to do is a hire a few engineering students, someone good with marketing and you can make millions scamming third world countries making these drones
Nobody gonna comment on the fact that it has just 30 mins of flight time? I'm pretty sure you can fit larger batteries in there.
 

mossen

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Do they get their intel from second hand Western sources?
In my experience (looking at Indian mil discussions), it is mostly just aping the Western OSINT. Even if you read India's "defence papers" among top New Delhi think-tanks then all they do is quoting various Western reports. India itself seems to have very little original research on China. They mostly take what the West produces (which is substandard to begin with) and then add a few local spins on top.
 
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