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tankphobia said:
Yeah, the article was pretty poorly written and reeks of false proclaimatins of victory, I was more interested in the possibility that the US actually stepped in and gave the Indian side Intel.
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It is highly likely, especially when satellite images are so easy to come by these days. Even during the Sino-Vietnamese War in 79 the US shared satellite intel on Vietnamese movements with China and satellite images were a lot more expensive back then.
 
Lethe

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gelgoog said:
No, I think the submarine was simply provided as is. It is just that it is neither the latest generation of its Akula type, like the modernized variants with more quieting like the Vepr submarine (K-157), nor it was the Yasen. Still it was one of the most advanced attack submarines the Russians had in service back then when the lease was arranged. Back then there was no Yasen. It is quite telling I think that the next submarine that the Indians are supposed to lease will be another Akula, probably without modernization even, not a Yasen.
As the Indians continue buying more weapon systems from the US, right now all their armed services are using some US systems, I think the Russians will start not cooperating with them nearly as much to prevent tech leakage. Unless it is an ongoing program.
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It is no secret that India's own nuclear submarine program involves extensive cooperation with Russia, including the reactor designs. I find it difficult to believe that India would knowingly jeapordise that arrangement by allowing Americans aboard Chakra without Russia's permission. Credible sources are required to support this claim.

Chakra's notional replacement being another Akula says more about Russia's very slow induction of new SSNs and upgrade of existing boats than anything else. K-152 Nerpa/Chakra was the very last of the Akula hulls laid down in 1993. Russia has only three Yasen-class submarines in service, they are simply not in a position to lease anything better to India.
 
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gelgoog

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The Indians sent the Su-30MKI to US Red Flag exercises in 2008. At a time the US was providing weapons to Pakistan. They have made plenty of bone headed decisions before which removed opsec, so I would not be surprised if the rumors about them allowing US persons inside the Chakra nuclear attack submarine are true.
 
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Wasn't the 2022 clash in December the same one that we've been getting hints about from Chinese side saying powered exoskeleton troops were involved handing out a bone shattering beating, which the Indian media reported as PLA troops utilizing "monkey style" martial arts and had to circulate an obviously non-winter video to make themselves feel better?

That clash?
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Yet India still controls all the heights of tawang sector. So it appears those exoskeletons weren't as successful as you claim.

Also there was no snow in the area until late December/early January, well after the incident occured. So there is no reason the video is "obviously non-winter."
 
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gelgoog said:
The Indians sent the Su-30MKI to US Red Flag exercises in 2008. At a time the US was providing weapons to Pakistan. They have made plenty of bone headed decisions before which removed opsec, so I would not be surprised if the rumors about them allowing US persons inside the Chakra nuclear attack submarine are true.
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To be fair they didn’t operate the radar during Red Flags.
 
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1638440327890751488

India is retaliating for the attack on its UK embassy by Khalistan supporters. As you might sense from the knee jerk move, Khalistan triggers a deeply emotional response in Indian rulers. If we are smart we will play the Khalistan card. We should be thinking of alternatives to wasting money and diverting our attention from the US by sending 50,000 troops every winter to face Indian troops in the mountains.

We need to first educate ourselves about Khalistan and the memories of violence it invokes in all Indians over the age of 40. I asked ChatGPT to explain if the 1984 Sikh Massacre in Delhi and the events surrounding it plays a role in India's sensitivity.
The Khalistan movement emerged in the 1980s and was marked by violence, including a series of terrorist attacks and assassinations, culminating in the 1984 Sikh massacre in Delhi, in which thousands of Sikhs were killed following the assassination of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by her Sikh bodyguards. The memories of the 1984 riots and the fear of further violence undoubtedly play a role in the Indian government's approach to the Khalistan movement. The government views the movement as a threat to national security and has taken a hardline stance against it.
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ChatGPT, what made the Sikh Massacre memorable?
The violence lasted for several days and resulted in the deaths of thousands of Sikhs, with estimates ranging from 2,800 to over 8,000.

The riots were memorable for several reasons. Firstly, the sheer scale of the violence and the number of people affected made it one of the deadliest episodes of sectarian violence in India's history. Secondly, the riots were seen as an attack on the Sikh community as a whole, rather than just the perpetrators of the assassination. Many innocent Sikhs were targeted and killed or injured in the violence.

Thirdly, the riots were notable for the complicity of some government officials and police officers who were accused of either directly participating in the violence or failing to stop it. This led to widespread criticism of the government's handling of the situation and accusations of state-sponsored violence.

Lastly, the riots left a deep scar on the psyche of the Sikh community in India and around the world, who saw the violence as an attack on their identity and their struggle for equality and justice. The memories of the 1984 riots continue to be a sensitive and emotional issue for many Sikhs and remain an important chapter in India's history.
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tankphobia said:
Interesting news over the weekend:
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Peeling back over the bad journalism, so the US overtly provided ISR support to India over the clash and has made it public now. Seems like they are forcing India to be bundled with them as additional pressure on China.

Does that mean China now has the right to blind overflying American satellites on disputed territories?
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LOOOL
 
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twineedle said:
Yet India still controls all the heights of tawang sector. So it appears those exoskeletons weren't as successful as you claim.

Also there was no snow in the area until late December/early January, well after the incident occured. So there is no reason the video is "obviously non-winter."
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