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Chandragupt

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Please understand that the TEDBF is in no way "stealth". Compare the geometry of the TEDBF to something like the KF-21. Stealth geometry generally involves radar absorbing composites and coatings, sharp corners to deflect radar signals away from the emitter. (very broad generalizations of stealth)
1. The TEDBF's DSI intakes are rounded and not angled forwards or backwards, but rather it is angled straight which will reflect the radar straight back to the emitter.
2. The TEDBF's forward facing profile has multiple rounded angles which increase RCS
Question, is the TEDBF using the Uttam radar?
Is the TEDBF using a coated glass cockpit?

Look if you are so insistent on that the LCH is stealth. By the same metric the Z-10 would also be "stealth".

You also haven't even refuted to my previous statements.

The main rotor isn't even shrouded to reduce RCS, the main gun isn't shrouded, the fucking landing gears cannot be stored internally, the amount of vents and noise on the surface of the helicopter all degrade the "stealth" aspect of the helicopter significantly. The fact that you somehow believe that the LCH is somehow stealthy in any way shape or form is hilarious. Clearly stealth was not a consideration during the design phase. Does it even use radar absorbing coatings/composites? I think not.

Lets be reasonable and cease with the ridiculous statements that make you look like a peabrain, stealth was in no way shape or form even considered during the design process of the LCH.
What's the purpose of that design if not stealth ?
You think they designed those aircrafts avoiding sharp angles (compromising aerodynamics) only to make it look cool ?
 

Chandragupt

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Just to give more background, this is not an issue of the availability today, but 20 years ago.

I can’t speak to the radar as much as Kaveri, but back in the mid-90’s DRDO kept pushing Kaveri as “just around the corner” and not to go ahead with GE404 as the production engine. They said doing so would destroy the program. So basically 10 years was wasted (between first flight and official dropping of Kaveri) with not much to show for it.

It should’ve been clear as day that Kaveri would not make it a long time ago.

If the J-10 program waited like that, you would only see the plane now rather than 20 years ago. Since it was developed by CAC, then say goodbye to J-20 too. In essence, Kaveri cost India 20 years of lost time.
Tejas was meant to be equipped with UTTAM MK1 AESA Radar it had 700 TR modules but since Tejas got delayed DRDO was able to develop UTTAM MK2 with 992 TR module so they scrapped UTTAM MK1 and selected MK2 to be installed on Tejas MK1A
Similarly The Kaveri Turbofan engine was initially supposed to produce 81KN of thrust but now because of the more powerful radar and electronics in Tejas Thrust requirement has changed to 91KN which will increase further in next upgrade of Tejas that's the reason why Kaveri engine program has been decoupled from Tejas Program.
But looking at the specs of Tejas be it the number of hard points , Takeoff weight , range of radar , 4 axis digital fly by wire , Carbon composite body , low maintenance , ferry range , combat range , weapon package and several other things no neutral analyst would deny that Tejas the best fighter jet in it's category
 

pevade

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What's the purpose of that design if not stealth ?
You think they designed those aircrafts avoiding sharp angles (compromising aerodynamics) only to make it look cool ?
I am questioning your claim that the TEDBF and LCH are "stealth" platforms since neither exhibit platforms exhibit much stealth characteristics, especially the LCH which has no stealth features.
 

Chandragupt

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I am questioning your claim that the TEDBF and LCH are "stealth" platforms since neither exhibit platforms exhibit much stealth characteristics, especially the LCH which has no stealth features.
I said both the aircrafts LCH and TEDBF will have low RCS because of the geometry of those aircrafts
 

PiSigma

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It does matter whether the radar is Indian made or not because Indian made radar can integrate Russian , European , American , Israeli and Indian weapons so is not the case with Radars made by other countries
It's one of the advantages of Tejas that it can carry all kind of Missiles and bombs (except for the Chinese ones)
I see you make this argument a lot, but did Russian, Europe, Israel and US provide the weapon source codes for India to integrate with their radar?
 

zavve

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I see you make this argument a lot, but did Russian, Europe, Israel and US provide the weapon source codes for India to integrate with their radar?
My thought exactly, I've yet to see one non-Indian source claim that Meteor or ASRAAM will be integrated. I don't think the US will allow India to get AIM-260, but maybe they will allow India to integrate AIM-120D.
 

Chandragupt

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I see you make this argument a lot, but did Russian, Europe, Israel and US provide the weapon source codes for India to integrate with their radar?
Yes Indian made Air to Air Missile Astra is Integrated with Russian radar of Su30MKI and Israeli radar of Initial 40 Tejas MK1
MBDA refused to integrate their meteor missile with Tejas MK1 saying it has Israeli Radar but they won't have any problem integrating it with MK1A because it has Indian made UTTAM AESA Radar
 

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There was, however, no official word from either the defence ministry or DRDO on whether the test was successful or not. A source, in turn, said, “The initial launch and take-off was successful. But there are question marks on the subsequent performance of the scramjet engine of the HSTDV for which the data has to be analysed in detail.”
India has been testing its own hypersonic missiles since 2019.
 

Gloire_bb

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Well, the cynic in me says they wouldn't. There's a lot of grift to be had. I think most people have a negative perception of India's defense sector, not even because it lacks the technical expertise in comparison to its peers, but because of the alleged corruption that causes delays and cancellations of major programs.
Don't think corruption is as important as it is perceived - all defense(government) sectors tend to be at least somewhat touched by it.
Simple relative poorness(amount of accumulated effective spending) is still insufficient - India is neither that rich, nor especially militarized, nor even sees it as terribly urgent.
 

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2 IAF jets crashed over Madhya Pradesh during a training exercise. One Su-30MKI and one Mirage 2000. One fatality has been reported, according to the Indian media.
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Bhopal:
Two Indian Air Force fighter jets - a Sukhoi Su-30 and a Mirage 2000 - crashed during a training exercise earlier today, officials said on Saturday, resulting in the death of one pilot. Two others were seriously injured. While one aircraft crashed in Morena in Madhya Pradesh, the other is believed to have gone down 100 km away in Rajasthan's Bharatpur.

The Sukhoi had two pilots, while the Mirage had one pilot, defence sources said. Both aircraft are used on the frontlines by the Indian Air Force. The two pilots on the Sukhoi managed to eject and were taken to the hospital in a helicopter.


A video from the Indian media of a crash site.
 
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