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These are the fighter jets which are either under production or under development in India
Tejas MK1/MK1A = 123 (single engine)
Tejas MK2 = 210 (single engine)
Twin Engine Deck Based Fighter (TEDBF) = 100 (Twin Engine)
Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) = 125 (Twin Engine)
Now coming to trainer aircrafts
HLFT-42 (single engine) numbers not known
LIFT (single engine) numbers not known
A fighter jet needs 3 engines in it's entire lifetime India would be needing atleast 2088 turbofan engines to power these fighter jets and I am not even counting repeat orders (which IAF is already planning for Tejas MK1A)
Now you can calculate the amount in USD by multiplying 2088 with the average cost of a turbofan engine US wouldn't like loosing this lucrative deal if US sanctions India this deal would go to France , UK , Russia or Japan

Chandragupt said:

India should trust no one the day India has replaced American engines in Tejas with their own indigenous engines it would be among the best selling fighter jets in the world because F16s though a good fighter jet is prone to American sanctions

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Tejas is in the market for countries looking for a 4th generation platform that is inferior to F-16, Gripen, Typhoon, Rafael and J-10C. And honestly who in 2035 when India finally develops an indigenous engine would want such a plane (mediocre 4th Gen in 2035)?

zavve said:

Tejas is in the market for countries looking for a 4th generation platform that is inferior to F-16, Gripen, Typhoon, Rafael and J-10C. And honestly who in 2035 when India finally develops an indigenous engine would want such a plane (mediocre 4th Gen in 2035)?

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Not to mention all the used ones including F-35s for very cheap prices. Fighter purchases are like ancient marriages done for alliance reasons more than technical. India doesn't have any alliance partners to buy from and these jets are subject to permissions from multiple countries which have their own self-interests.

Don't forget other emerging countries with such ambitions like South Korea, Japan, and Turkey. Both have better reputations than India. China has the African market while Latin America prefers European. I don't see where India can sell?

Finally, it seems by 2035, all the missions for the Tejas Mk.2 can and will be performed by UAVs.

Chandragupt said:

Foreign components and US made components in particular because nobody knows when will US put a country under sanctions only for buying cheap gasoline from Iran or Russia or for buying some millitary hardware like S400
Turkey didn't get F35 from USA because they bought S400 from Russia
Now someone may ask why USA didn't sanction India for doing the same the reason is because India has to buy 1000+ Turbofan engine for various different fighter jets they're making indigenously and sanctioning India mean USA would be loosing billions of dollars which they wish to earn selling these engines to India

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I doubt very much the reason is economic. Ten billion dollars over a couple decades is nothing to the U.S. (or EU or China). No more than a couple fancy real-estate developments or metro lines. Much more likely the U.S. wants another lapdog in its camp against China.

zavve said:

Tejas is in the market for countries looking for a 4th generation platform that is inferior to F-16, Gripen, Typhoon, Rafael and J-10C. And honestly who in 2035 when India finally develops an indigenous engine would want such a plane (mediocre 4th Gen in 2035)?

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Tejas is inferior to Eurofighter typhoon and Rafales but not to F16 , J10C or Gripen and this is what I have learned after comparing these fighter jets spec by spec
Tejas has the smallest RCS among these fighter jets and a powerful GaAs UTTAM AESA Radar (which has 992 TR modules)
Gripen is like a zoo with animals from all around the world the most crucial components like engines radars avionics missiles are imported from various different countries you mess up with one country and you have maintenance issues
I am not denying that J10C is a good fighter jet but no country except for Pakistan has bought J10C despite PLAAF operating it in huge numbers.
I can understand Tejas not getting export orders because IAF is yet to operate it in huge numbers but why did J10C not get export orders despite PLAAF operating it in huge numbers?

Chandragupt said:

Tejas is inferior to Eurofighter typhoon and Rafales but not to F16 , J10C or Gripen and this is what I have learned after comparing these fighter jets spec by spec
Tejas has the smallest RCS among these fighter jets and a powerful GaAs UTTAM AESA Radar (which has 992 TR modules)
Gripen is like a zoo with animals from all around the world the most crucial components like engines radars avionics missiles are imported from various different countries you mess up with one country and you have maintenance issues
I am not denying that J10C is a good fighter jet but no country except for Pakistan has bought J10C despite PLAAF operating it in huge numbers.
I can understand Tejas not getting export orders because IAF is yet to operate it in huge numbers but why did J10C not get export orders despite PLAAF operating it in huge numbers?

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Man, seriously look at yourself spewing all that vomit. "Gripen is like a zoo" "Tejas is the best fighter in the world" are you in grade school and do you think this is a chatroom to fart all kinds of nonsense? J-10C is an actual plane and so is Gripen with a proven service record. PL-15 surpasses Astra in range, maneuverability and sensors being built in large numbers and fielded in China & Pakistan. Astra is still in testing phase. Man you JH clowns are delusional.

Stryker said:

Man, seriously look at yourself spewing all that vomit. "Gripen is like a zoo" "Tejas is the best fighter in the world" are you in grade school and do you think this is a chatroom to fart all kinds of nonsense? J-10C is an actual plane and so is Gripen with a proven service record. PL-15 surpasses Astra in range, maneuverability and sensors being built in large numbers and fielded in China & Pakistan. Astra is still in testing phase. Man you JH clowns are delusional.

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At this point I am certain that he is a troll.
He believes that the indian LCH helicopter is somehow supposed to be "stealth" and that the TEDBF is also supposed to be in the same stealth class as the KF-21 despite neither of them having any stealth features. LMAO.

kentchang said:

I doubt very much the reason is economic. Ten billion dollars over a couple decades is nothing to the U.S. (or EU or China). No more than a couple fancy real-estate developments or metro lines. Much more likely the U.S. wants another lapdog in its camp against China.

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That could be the reason as well but India and USA aren't very friendly either USA threatened to nuke India in India Pakistan war of 1971 , they sent their 7th carrier battle group in Bay of Bengal two years later India under the leadership of Indira Gandhi detonated nuclear bomb and USA imposed sanctions on India which forced India to invest heavily in missile and space research program because USA denied cryogenic engine technology to India thinking that India would use cryogenic engine to power ballistic missiles
India finally developed a cryogenic engine of it's own and also solid fuel powered nuclear tipped ballistic missiles they carried out 2nd series of nuclear tests in 1998 only to prove that American sanctions had no impact on Indian nuclear and missile program they forced USA to sign civil nuclear deal
Now India is working on Hypersonic Nuclear missiles , India would partner with West in some areas and oppose in other and western world wouldn't sanction India like they did in 1960-70 simply because now India is immune to sanctions

Stryker said:

Man, seriously look at yourself spewing all that vomit. "Gripen is like a zoo" "Tejas is the best fighter in the world" are you in grade school and do you think this is a chatroom to fart all kinds of nonsense? J-10C is an actual plane and so is Gripen with a proven service record. PL-15 surpasses Astra in range, maneuverability and sensors being built in large numbers and fielded in China & Pakistan. Astra is still in testing phase. Man you JH clowns are delusional.

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I never said that J10C is not an actual plane I only said that no country outside China (except for Pakistan) uses J10C despite PLAAF operating it in huge numbers
And Everything I have said about LCA Tejas or LCH Prachand is well documented
I Said Tejas is the best fighter jet in it's category only on the basis of available specifications in public domain

No response to Chandragupt please
It is interesting to get Indian's perspectives on things. Please let him continue