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Citing information from the Indian defense industry the new truck-mounted artillery system which has been fully developed in India is ready to undergo strength of design trials. The truck has already performed mobility and performance trials.

The new Indian truck-Mounted Gun System (MGS) has been specially designed to be deployed in desert, mountainous, and high-altitude terrains. The MGS is based on an 8x8 military truck chassis HMV 15009 (High Mobility Vehicle) developed and produced by the Indian company Ashok Leyland.

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The Indian MGS has already conducted firing tests and has achieved the highest firing range in its category in the world. The new artillery system is developed using state-of-the-art technologies such as an Automatic gun alignment and positioning system, integrated Fire Control System (FCS), ammunition handling system, onboard silent electric power system, spade type shock absorbing electro-mechanical stabilizers, and more.

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The front of the MGS is fitted with an armored cab which provides protection against the firing of small arms and artillery shell splinters. The MGS has a crew of seven and all the firing operations can be performed from inside the crew cab. The rear part of the truck is fitted with the 155mm 52 caliber ATAGS (Advanced Towed Artillery Gun System) gun system and 24 projectiles and charges can be carried on the truck. The ATAGS is a project launched by the Indian DRDO in 2013 to replace older guns in service with the Indian army. The gun consists of a barrel, breech mechanism, muzzle brake, and recoil mechanism able to fire 155mm ammunition at a maximum firing range of 48 km.

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The MGS has also shoot-and-scoot capability which is an artillery tactic of firing at a target and then immediately moving away from the location from where the shots were fired to avoid counter-battery fire (e.g. from enemy artillery). The MGS has a maximum firing range of 35 km using ERFB What is ERFB High Explosive Extended Range (BT) ammunition and 45 km with ERFB (BB) artillery rounds. The gun system has a traverse of around 25° and an elevation from 0° to 72°. It has a burst rate of fire of 3 rounds in less than 30 seconds and can reach a sustained rate of fire of 42 rounds in 60 minutes.

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Sardaukar20 said:

An Indian equivalent to the PCL-181 and Caesar SPH? Wonder how much of this is actually genuinely indigenous to India?

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Indians always have to boast about some "best in the world" BS. What exactly is: "highest firing range in its category in the world"? Knowing how India works, this is definitely a very dubious statement.



The MGS does not have the highest firing range in its category in the world. The PCL-181 firing RAP 155mm rounds has a max range of around 70km.

The Indian MGS is not ground-breaking stuff. It is actually India just trying to catch up in truck-mounted artillery systems. Truck-mounted artillery system is a contemporary technology. Hence the real surprise is what took Superpowa India so long to finally catch up in this field. The other question is when will the MGS actually enter service? Knowing Indian military procurement history, it should be longer than everyone expects. Lastly, how much would each MGS cost vs PCL-181 or Ceasar? I won't be surprised if the MGS is more expensive than both.

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Sardaukar20 said:

An Indian equivalent to the PCL-181 and Caesar SPH? Wonder how much of this is actually genuinely indigenous to India?

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Indians always have to boast about some "best in the world" BS. What exactly is: "the highest firing range in its category in the world"? Knowing how India works, this is definitely a very dubious statement.



The MGS does not have the highest firing range in its category in the world. The PCL-181 firing RAP 155mm rounds has a max range of around 70km.

The Indian MGS is not ground-breaking stuff. It is actually India just trying to catch up in truck-mounted artillery systems. These systems are contemporary technology. Hence the real surprise is what took Superpowa India so long to finally catch up in this field. The other question is when will the MGS actually enter service? Knowing Indian military procurement history, it should be longer than everyone expects. Lastly, how much would each MGS cost vs PCL-181 or Ceasar? I won't be surprised if the MGS is more expensive than both.

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beijing_bandar said:

Incompetence is evident in the Indian military and military industrial complex due to the number accidents/failures.

Infamous Indian military events within the realm of nuclear forces

- "an aft hatch on the submarine was left open by mistake while the Arihant was docked in 2017, leading to saltwater flooding the propulsion area, rendering the submarine inoperative for ten months".​

- On 9 March 2022, India accidently fired a BrahMos missile originating from Sirsa, Haryana that crashed into Mian Channu, Khanewal District, Punjab, Pakistan.​

- Manufacturing defect has once against hit Agni series of missile as the first night trial of long-range nuclear-capable ballistic missile Agni-III from a defence base off Odisha coast ended in ‘failure’ on [2019].​

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However, we absolutely can not be gleeful about their poor performance. The Indian military is both incompetent and nuclear equipped. Nuclear weapons like anything else have an accident rate. Concern about incompetence and nuclear accidents is a reason in itself to pursue deescalation at Ladakh. I would much prefer to see posturing in the Indian Ocean (e.g. my suggestion in earlier posts for a PLAN carrier to visit Pakistan and compel India to spend up to $20 billion to build a third carrier and equip it with planes) rather than continue the face off at Ladakh. To me the problem with the Ladakh face off compared to Indian Ocean posturing is the higher possibility of things going kinetic leading to a higher nuclear alert status. The Indian military is prone to accidents and their equipment sucks. We must take seriously the possibility of an inadvertent nuclear launch by India.

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Sardaukar20 said:

An Indian equivalent to the PCL-181 and Caesar SPH? Wonder how much of this is actually genuinely indigenous to India?

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Indians always have to boast about some "best in the world" BS. What exactly is: "the highest firing range in its category in the world"? Knowing how India works, this is definitely a very dubious statement.



The MGS does not have the highest firing range in its category in the world. The PCL-181 firing RAP 155mm rounds has a max range of around 70km.

The Indian MGS is not ground-breaking stuff. It is actually India just trying to catch up in truck-mounted artillery systems. These systems are contemporary technology. Hence the real surprise is what took Superpowa India so long to finally catch up in this field. The other question is when will the MGS actually enter service? Knowing Indian military procurement history, it should be longer than everyone expects. Lastly, how much would each MGS cost vs PCL-181 or Ceasar? I won't be surprised if the MGS is more expensive than both.

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Fulcrum007 said:

Actually, when they quote "highest firing range", they mean with regards to normal easy to make unsophisticated Base Bleed (BB) rounds which the ATAGS has been found able to fire upto 52km in trials, the PCL-181 on the other hand can achieve only 40km with BB rounds in comparison.

The special 72 km range figure RAP round has an assisted flight to enable this range. You might see something similar to this with the ATAGS as well in the coming years.

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Sardaukar20 said:

I would take any Indian claims with a fistful of salt. Assuming that ATAGS really did achieved 52km max range in trials with BB ammunition, it is still a moot point. The PCL-181 easily outranges it with RAP ammunition. The battlefield won't care what kind of 155mm round is used, only the ones that can fly further, and hit first. Will ATAGS get its own RAP and precision-guided ammunition in the future? Sure, but when? More likely decades from now.

Cheaper BB 155mm rounds are best used for regular bombardment and saturation fire. But for counter-battery operations, range and precision matters. ATAGS will not be firing cheap 52km-ranged BB ammunition when it has been taken out by enemy gun artillery that easily outranges it with RAP ammunition. And that is not even the 1st option that the enemy will use to take out Indian artillery batteries.

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joeljp06 said:

so we should take all indian claims with a grain of salt but shouldnt take any chinese like that?

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joeljp06 said:

so we should take all indian claims with a grain of salt but shouldnt take any chinese like that?

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