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twineedle

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ougoah said:
And that was not China's aim. If that was China's aim, it would have simply demarcated and taken it... because it managed to from March to October 2020, China demonstrated it could occupy any stretch of no man's land it wants to and India was unable to change that. India attempted to in June and failed. Above photos and videos show the aftermath of India's attempt. So we've proven that China could take it. That's a fact no matter how much you want to obfuscate and deny.

India went in on the offensive in Jan 2020 to take Aksai Chin and failed. The buffer zone stuff is a result of India's attempt to take Aksai Chin.

LAC remains relatively similar thanks to China preventing India. What is there for India to be proud of when it attempted to take land and failed. I know you always need to turn it around but it's clear as day. India thinking it is China attempting to take the remaining dispute which is measly compared to Aksai Chin, India's aim, is just nonsense because China took it and negotiated for buffer zones to be established along parts of that no man's land. Once buffer zones were agreed to, China agreed to withdraw troops. Why withdraw troops if it weren't stepping way into no man's land and holding it? Jeez talking to you is like talking to a mental patient in perpetual denial.

India got its ass kicked.

For evidence, see above photos.

How it went down.

2019: India says it wants to take Aksai Chin from China. India's precious fatty Amit Shah himself says this.

2020 Jan to March: covid in China and India moved in. China immediately talked about it and reported clashes.

2020 March to October: China sent PLA in and kicked India's ass (see photos) and sat on multiple points of no man's land which India used to patrol frequently.

2020 June: India and China had a clash resulting in violence and casualties on both sides (20 dead from India and 4 from PLA and hundreds of Indians captured and no PLA captured by India during the June 30th clash).

2020 June to October: negotiations for China to withdraw from its forward positions occupied (in no man's land) in exchange for India agreeing to buffer zones in parts of no man's land.

2020 November to rest: India slowly agrees to each deal. Buffers established. Both sides keep details relatively opaque to save Modi's face and ass from bhakt supapowa morons.

Result: China keeps Aksai Chin and India fails to capture Aksai Chin. Buffers sort of nearly cut off (or perhaps does cut off) Aksai Chin from Indian access and certainly nowhere near India's remaining allowed patrol points.
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Once again, the buffers combine are less than 100 square km at most and only cover a few points, and even extend into Aksai Chin itself. How do they cut off India? And Colonel S. Dinny, who until recently led Indian patrols in Pangong and other areas clearly said in an interview that it was China which patrolled those areas far more than India. VK Singh was probably referring to other areas where India has an advantage.
 
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ougoah

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twineedle said:
Once again, the buffers combine are only a few dozen square km at most and only cover a few points, and even extend into Aksai Chin itself. How do they cut off India?
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What did I say in my post? The details of the exact buffers are kept vague by both sides as to not anger India's bhakts and Modi's opposition. Neither Modi or CCP want to give Modi's opposition too much ammo. We (including you) do not know the exact details of all the agreed buffers. Modi agreeing to total cutting off India from Aksai Chin would result in Indian opposition groups gaining so much more ammo against Modi, China can kiss Modi and his cooperation goodbye. In fact we only know that around three separate agreements have been made so far... perhaps. Maybe it cuts off Aksai Chin entirely from India's access, maybe there are lands adjacent to AC that India can still patrol on due to no agreements made. That's fine. While India prior to 2020 had access and patrolling of the entire remaining disputed no man's land, it now has that stretch minus buffers. That's a step in the right direction for China. Perhaps the buffers cover the land adjacent to AC and has cut India off. We don't know.

We do know China managed to hold swathes of land in disputed during March to October and withdrew after India agreed to buffer deals.

It wasn't India that occupied Aksai Chin and withdrew. India wouldn't withdraw if it managed to take over Aksai Chin (that was India's claimed goal and officially is still one of India's goals). If it did take over Aksai Chin it would be war, bullets would be flying and Indians would be dead in the thousands at least... any Indian there would be finished.
 
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T-90S is a Russian tank being made for India. They probably agreed with the Indians to take the ones being made for their war effort on some credit basis.

The sorry state is India's own tank production being so abysmally bad they still have to import foreign tanks and dependent on vendors (and not good ones). One has to wonder why India doesn't produce more Arjuns at a faster rate and develop a lighter tank to complement the heavy Arjun if they want two different weight classes of MBTs. The T-90S by 2022 standards is just ... about as good a tank as a Type 96A ie not very. Next to useless unless you have world class everything else so as to make MBTs a secondary afterthought to supplement actual forces doing any pushing rather than being the primary platform performing pushes. Hint, it's drones, drones, artillery, and drones.
 
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ougoah said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1580084991245299715

How many Mig-29K did India purchase in total? There were several lost right?
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They may have 41 or 42 left out of original 45. It will be interesting to see whether the crash is from earlier batch or later batch of MIG-29K. The early batch were made when MIG factory was not exactly modernized and it had that soviet influence.
MIG-29 is very reliable aircraft. The airforce version are the oldest airframes as they were exported the earliest.

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The publication said it was believed that India would get the MIG-29's before the Soviet Air Force is fully equipped with them and before they are deployed with the Warsaw Pact forces. It said this was a departure from normal Soviet policy of exporting aircraft only after domestic demands had been met.
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