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pakje

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Some Indian analysts say the new light tank will use the chassis of the Korean K9 howitzer and possibly a cockerill turret. Does anyone know how efficient that would be? Maybe in developmental costs it would be cheaper but what about usage of space, positioning of engine, driver etc and armor protection.

Would they be able to get the tank in the 30-35 ton range with similar mobility and protection as the Type 15?
This is going to be a dud

-K9 chassis: big and it's simply not a tank chassis. Also the K9 hull is very optimized to carry 155mm shells inside, which is why it can carry so much more ammunition than let's say a plz-05.

-cockeril turret: actually pretty solid. Curious why they're not making their own one, making a 105mm turret should be within their industrial capacity (or maybe not)

Now I think about it, designing and building a light tank would be a great excercise for the indian MIC.
Putting a 105mm turret on a bmp-3 chassis and maybe tune up the engine should be very doable, on the otherhand we're talking about a country that purchased an AK license and assembly line from russia....
 

Sardaukar20

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Malaysian Chinese have become much more pro China over the decades. I personally know plenty diaspora Malaysian Chinese and some of them are more than nationalistic despite being Malaysian citizens. There are those who are not obviously but fewer in numbers and most are apolitical. They are mainly Fujian trade, fishermen, and pirate migrants over centuries. Then waves of migrants during China's civil war period and Cultural Revolution era who obviously hold certain fair opinions on the Communists. Most are smart enough to realise that governments do change over time just like conditions.

Most are fair enough to admit or at least know that it appears China chose the right paths to take. It has become obvious over time. Even to Commie hating Chinese diaspora lol. At least progeny do not carry the same hatred or angst most of the time and re-evaluate according to indoctrination (via education and surrounds) and what they are able to learn as "facts". Therefore there is a wide distribution of very varied opinions and thoughts on the matter.

Overall, it would appear many are sympathetic to China and are pro China.
Having been on the ground in Malaysia. The China's image among the Malaysian Chinese is not too positive. It is generally quite mainstream and fashionable now to be anti-China. Lately, there has been intensifying propaganda by the NED, Western media, and the HK-Taiwan supremacists. Leveraging on the 3 main issues I have highlighted before. Many Malaysian Chinese of the current generation were either too gullible, or have been peer pressured to be anti-China.

That being said, the next generation of Malaysian Chinese adults are more politically neutral. Because they grew up watching China being the powerhouse instead of just HK and Taiwan. They are much more receptive to China's soft power. So things will eventually get better as the West and the NED rapidly is losing its influence. The economic growth and much more humanistic values that China promises will always trumph over Western ideals that had brought zero tangible benefits.

Some Indian analysts say the new light tank will use the chassis of the Korean K9 howitzer and possibly a cockerill turret. Does anyone know how efficient that would be? Maybe in developmental costs it would be cheaper but what about usage of space, positioning of engine, driver etc and armor protection.

Would they be able to get the tank in the 30-35 ton range with similar mobility and protection as the Type 15?
If India really uses the K9 chassis for their light tank project. Then they'll end up having a light tank with a bigger hull than than the T-90. The overall weight of a K9 chassis with the 105mm-gun Cockerill turret could be lighter than a T-90 MBT. But that's it. It's still gonna be a K-9 sized 'light tank'. Big, bulky, moderately armed, but lightly protected. Doubtful airlift capability.
 

Gloire_bb

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Would they be able to get the tank in the 30-35 ton range with similar mobility and protection as the Type 15?
If just mixed together - it won't result in something that can be called a tank. Tracked assault gun(fire support vehicle) - maybe.
If uparmored (which is possible with k9 chassis) - it'll also weigh close to or as much as t-90s, point lost.
The problem is that for it to become a reasonable tank, K9 chassis has to be rethought basically from ground up - much like GD MPF is basically a completely new vehicle on a new chassis.

It just isn't fast (3 years ago they wanted the purchase to happen fast). And if you can't do simple plug'n'play - Cockerill turrets lose a lot of their attractiveness - with some tome on hand it's possible to do something tailor-made.
 

Gloire_bb

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How come civilian infrastructures disrupt military communication that easy?
Well, easy, radio spectrum is just that kind of a resource(and always must be understood exactly as such - i.e. national resource). Precisely because of that militaries hate to give up key frequencies.
And yes, this is a big (and well-recognized) problem of cross-border regulation.

Unrecognized borders(especially of this size) are very annoying in this regard - ITU rules don't work normally there.
 

ougoah

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India has been OOFFERING everyone their LCA. Everytime they offer it they claim it's won a sale. It hasn't won a single sale yet. Malaysia and Egypt are genuinely interested but interest is also often used for leverage.

No way Australia would bite and actually buy this. India offering Australia the lca for some niche low number training roles doesn't mean Australian defence acquisition people aren't laughing their asses off at the prospect of buying this. I can offer the ceo of my company a kilogram of my excrement for 50% equity but that doesn't mean anything more than a joke.

Egypt and Malaysia want tot and weapons deals. Lca can be assisted by sweetening those deals and find a sale or two. It would be well behind jf-17 in this regard which has made more than two export sales and at least used in combat. All military sales of such scale are more politics and brown paper bags filled with cash than they are about competence and capability anyway. I'm surprised china hasn't played that card more with potential customers but it also doesn't seem like china cares too much about the jf-17 platform seeing as Pakistan earns half a slice of an already small pie. There's just no point bribing and taking risks for little gain but for India... Go for it!
 
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