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gelgoog

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HaldilalSDF said:
Its Productions Capacity is around 10,000 Wafers per Annum. A new Private Firms has got License for set up of 180 NM 90 NM.

The previous Proposal by the HSCML didn't able to secure funding for a 32 and 16 NM manufacturing of 40,000 Waffers of 300 MM Per Annum each facilities so its license got revoked.
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That is hardly surprising. 300mm wafers and equipment are much more expensive than 200mm ones.

Also there is a rule of thumb where the cost to build a semiconductor fab increases twofold each two process shrinks. 180nm->130nm->90nm->65nm->45nm->32nm->22nm->16nm. That's 7 process generations difference. So the more recent fab would cost roughly 2^3 i.e. 8x more to build and equip.

I think they would be better off upgrading their production line to the best process they can use with 200mm wafers before going up to 300mm ones. Even if you look at a large enough foundry like UMC in Taiwan most of their production uses 200mm wafers.

Still it was good to learn that India does indeed have 180nm production facilities.
 
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Regular math: "Over 60% of ‘Made In India’ IAF Tejas Grounded"

Indian math:

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ougoah

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Nobonita Barua said:
Even to produce 2000 level micro controllers you will need fairly complex infrastructure. To be honest military used chips won't evolve as fast as commercial hardware barbecue they don't require high processing power or memory space.
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I agree these chips they can fab are perfectly good enough.

But the question was about foreign tech or not and being the equivalent of established tech from 2000s, it is at least based on known principles which they may have licensed, purchased or sourced foreign equipment (most likely even China still purchases equipment), or developed themselves based on sourced products or well understood and more accessible information.
 
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ougoah said:
I agree these chips they can fab are perfectly good enough.

But the question was about foreign tech or not and being the equivalent of established tech from 2000s, it is at least based on known principles which they may have licensed, purchased or sourced foreign equipment (most likely even China still purchases equipment), or developed themselves based on sourced products or well understood and more accessible information.
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Fun fact, military CPUs value reliability and hardiness more than raw computational power. Making them domestically is a lot easier than say, designing and manufacturing computer or mobile phone chips. I don’t see this as a big hurdle for the Indian defense industry.
 
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ougoah

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Regular math: "Over 60% of ‘Made In India’ IAF Tejas Grounded"

Indian math:

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This was a questionably motivated article from Pakistan in response to the Indian fake news of 40% JF-17 being grounded I think.

The 40% of JF-17 being grounded was proven as bunk especially the Jai Hind suggestion that they were grounded due to structural flaws and cracking?

We have 30 year old J-7s and F-7s flying without issue but the JF-17s are cracking already according to Jai Hind.
 
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ougoah

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siegecrossbow said:
Fun fact, military CPUs value reliability and hardiness more than raw computational power. Making them domestically is a lot easier than say, designing and manufacturing computer or mobile phone chips. I don’t see this as a big hurdle for the Indian defense industry.
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No it isn't at all this is why militaries often source domestically made chips where they can. No matter how backwards/behind their design and fab technologies are at e.g. India.

This isn't what I'm saying in any case. Someone first presented the info of the India fab and indicated it is basically a leading developer/foundry and I thought it is worth pointing out that their best effort is thoroughly unimpressive and only plans exist to lift those capabilities.
 
Nobonita Barua

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ougoah said:
I agree these chips they can fab are perfectly good enough.

But the question was about foreign tech or not and being the equivalent of established tech from 2000s, it is at least based on known principles which they may have licensed, purchased or sourced foreign equipment (most likely even China still purchases equipment), or developed themselves based on sourced products or well understood and more accessible information.
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That's exactly what i want to know.
 
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