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The cockpit area looks really wide, but doesn't go too far back, like Su 34.
It is posted by Ananth krishnan credible handle. The pictures are posted by Tarmak 007.
This comment sums up Jai Hind.
The difference between the Chinese FC-31 which is undeniably an outward shaping copy of the Lockheed Martin stealth fighter designs (both F-22 and F-35) and the Indian AMCA is that one is financed by a company itself (so we're to think) in an effort to create an exportable platform if there is funding to complete its development. The other is a plastic model. One flies, the other plans to fly.
Now the FC-31 apparently has been taken by the PLANAF for its 5th gen carrier wing fighter fleet to complement modernised J-15s. The J-35 surely is a copy of Lockmart design solutions to the problem of stealth. They can't copy the internals or the subsystems or the weapons. Those are important but another discussion. The Indian AMCA is undeniably a copy of the Lockheed Martin approach as well.
The difference is the Chinese project is a side hustle by one of its military aviation design bureaus and flight prototypes have been build for years and years and initial design and development (yes it still takes effort and time even if you copy the overall shaping approach) was finished a decade or more ago and the manufacturing (at least the serial prototypes) for at least three have been done years ago. The Indian copy exists as a few plastic models. The AMCA doesn't look fresh. It looks like a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy -> F-22 to F-35 to FC-31 to J-35 to AMCA shaping lineage. But maybe that's what he's referring to by "fresh".
BTW Chinese "fresh" designs often aren't shown. Prototypes and tests aren't all revealed. J-9 wasn't revealed until years after the project, designs, and prototype/s abandoned. SAC also developed a J-20 competitor that looked similar to a stealthified flanker with canards (the triplane J-20 competitor) that lost in competition with CAC. The FC-31 was never the J-20 competitor from SAC. This project was probably an attempt to find PLAN as a customer from the start along with any potential other buyers. It is revealed that the J-35 is much cheaper and easier to manufacture than J-20. Perhaps that isn't a coincidence or something decided on a whim recently. It was always meant to be the lo mix and the low cost easy to mass produce 5th gen for PLANAF and possibly even PLAAF.
Essentially Indians were laughing at the FC-31 for years and years and calling it a copy with the implicit proclamation of some moral/ethical superiority of Indians because they don't copy the outward shape of a stealth design.
When the Koreans copied that LockMart shape and the Turks too, no one cares to say two words.
When the Indian then (years later!) make their paper copy project, all the Jai Hinds are calling it something amazing.
So basically 2010:
Indians - China sucks they can only copy omg how shit they are.
2012:
FC-31 demonstrator flies at airshow aimed show potential customers a potentially viable product that still needs a lot more development to complete.
2021:
Indians - OMG look how awesome we are! We can do CAD drawings and some renders of the F-35 and F-22 hybrid. We are super.
Essentially it took Indians 11 years to go from calling China all sorts to planning on copying the exact same design.
If and when the Indians ever finish AMCA, it would have revealed that they are the worst hypocrites and the laziest and slowest at that.
It would have taken them over 20 years to go from calling others names only to prove they are no better but only 20 or more years slower.
When the Koreans copied that LockMart shape and the Turks too, no one cares to say two words.
When the Indian then (years later!) make their paper copy project, all the Jai Hinds are calling it something amazing.
So basically 2010:
Indians - China sucks they can only copy omg how shit they are.
2012:
FC-31 demonstrator flies at airshow aimed show potential customers a potentially viable product that still needs a lot more development to complete.
2021:
Indians - OMG look how awesome we are! We can do CAD drawings and some renders of the F-35 and F-22 hybrid. We are super.
Essentially it took Indians 11 years to go from calling China all sorts to planning on copying the exact same design.
If and when the Indians ever finish AMCA, it would have revealed that they are the worst hypocrites and the laziest and slowest at that.
It would have taken them over 20 years to go from calling others names only to prove they are no better but only 20 or more years slower.
He is right tough. The aircraft looks fresh. I have seen many aircraft in my life. None of them were portable in hands as the video shows, unlike Chinese J31.Such "handmade" aircraft are rare these days.This comment sums up Jai Hind.
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The difference between the Chinese FC-31 which is undeniably an outward shaping copy of the Lockheed Martin stealth fighter designs (both F-22 and F-35) and the Indian AMCA is that one is financed by a company itself (so we're to think) in an effort to create an exportable platform if there is funding to complete its development. The other is a plastic model. One flies, the other plans to fly.
Now the FC-31 apparently has been taken by the PLANAF for its 5th gen carrier wing fighter fleet to complement modernised J-15s. The J-35 surely is a copy of Lockmart design solutions to the problem of stealth. They can't copy the internals or the subsystems or the weapons. Those are important but another discussion. The Indian AMCA is undeniably a copy of the Lockheed Martin approach as well.
The difference is the Chinese project is a side hustle by one of its military aviation design bureaus and flight prototypes have been build for years and years and initial design and development (yes it still takes effort and time even if you copy the overall shaping approach) was finished a decade or more ago and the manufacturing (at least the serial prototypes) for at least three have been done years ago. The Indian copy exists as a few plastic models. The AMCA doesn't look fresh. It looks like a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy -> F-22 to F-35 to FC-31 to J-35 to AMCA shaping lineage. But maybe that's what he's referring to by "fresh".
BTW Chinese "fresh" designs often aren't shown. Prototypes and tests aren't all revealed. J-9 wasn't revealed until years after the project, designs, and prototype/s abandoned. SAC also developed a J-20 competitor that looked similar to a stealthified flanker with canards (the triplane J-20 competitor) that lost in competition with CAC. The FC-31 was never the J-20 competitor from SAC. This project was probably an attempt to find PLAN as a customer from the start along with any potential other buyers. It is revealed that the J-35 is much cheaper and easier to manufacture than J-20. Perhaps that isn't a coincidence or something decided on a whim recently. It was always meant to be the lo mix and the low cost easy to mass produce 5th gen for PLANAF and possibly even PLAAF.
It's a 5+ generation aircraft
By the time AMCA enters actual service(judging by their previous projects), I feel like 6th gens will saturate the world's air forces. Unless they are able to wrap up the project in 10 years' time.
This comment sums up Jai Hind.
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The difference between the Chinese FC-31 which is undeniably an outward shaping copy of the Lockheed Martin stealth fighter designs (both F-22 and F-35) and the Indian AMCA is that one is financed by a company itself (so we're to think) in an effort to create an exportable platform if there is funding to complete its development. The other is a plastic model. One flies, the other plans to fly.
Now the FC-31 apparently has been taken by the PLANAF for its 5th gen carrier wing fighter fleet to complement modernised J-15s. The J-35 surely is a copy of Lockmart design solutions to the problem of stealth. They can't copy the internals or the subsystems or the weapons. Those are important but another discussion. The Indian AMCA is undeniably a copy of the Lockheed Martin approach as well.
The difference is the Chinese project is a side hustle by one of its military aviation design bureaus and flight prototypes have been build for years and years and initial design and development (yes it still takes effort and time even if you copy the overall shaping approach) was finished a decade or more ago and the manufacturing (at least the serial prototypes) for at least three have been done years ago. The Indian copy exists as a few plastic models. The AMCA doesn't look fresh. It looks like a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy -> F-22 to F-35 to FC-31 to J-35 to AMCA shaping lineage. But maybe that's what he's referring to by "fresh".
BTW Chinese "fresh" designs often aren't shown. Prototypes and tests aren't all revealed. J-9 wasn't revealed until years after the project, designs, and prototype/s abandoned. SAC also developed a J-20 competitor that looked similar to a stealthified flanker with canards (the triplane J-20 competitor) that lost in competition with CAC. The FC-31 was never the J-20 competitor from SAC. This project was probably an attempt to find PLAN as a customer from the start along with any potential other buyers. It is revealed that the J-35 is much cheaper and easier to manufacture than J-20. Perhaps that isn't a coincidence or something decided on a whim recently. It was always meant to be the lo mix and the low cost easy to mass produce 5th gen for PLANAF and possibly even PLAAF.
WTF? The best part is you can't be sure if he is being sarcastic or sincere.