Its includes weapons package, long term matinence contracts, simulatiors and other cost. Plus around 1,100 crorew i.e. 150 million dollars for support infractures.
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"Each LCA MK1A fighter is powered by a single F404-GE-IN20 engine, and each jet will cost about $78.5 million, another HAL executive said"
Misquoted then?
Misquoted then?
Its a average price including the weapons package support and matinene contract. In all the fly away cost is lower than the quoted price. Could be anywhere between 42 million dollars. A large amount of weapons package is also included in this deal with replacement engines spare parts etc.
IAF had objected to the high price cited by HAL, arguing that it was asking for Rs 463 crore for each Tejas Mk-1A whereas it supplies the more modern Russian Sukhoi fighter jet at Rs 415 crore per aircraft
The article then says the proposal then went to 38000 crore, but now the news says its 48000 crore?
Does the Indian goverment publish a definitive public contract?
The article then says the proposal then went to 38000 crore, but now the news says its 48000 crore?
Does the Indian goverment publish a definitive public contract?
Mr T
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I don't think that you can reasonably call an order for 83 fighters "token". If I've understand things correctly the Mk1A is replacing the Mig 21 of which there are not as many in comparison, so the order would be more than sufficient to plug that gap in the IAF.
I'm not ruling out the possibility that NB was drunk at the time they made their post. It probably sounded hilarious in their own head.
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timepass
Brigadier
This little news belongs to IAF, but I'm posting it here due to its connection with 26th February IAF's botched strikes.
Just recently, Mumbai police released a 500 page document of Arnab Goswami's whatsapp chat with several individuals/groups. A little digging, and you find out that this country's entire military establishment is a sham and feel good types. And in the end, we have the infamous sacked Air Marshal Chandrashekharan Hari Kumar, AOC West found lying even after losing command. Talk about staying relevant.
In the below article, he talks about the level of secrecy of Balakot Strike. Apparently, it was even kept from the AOC Central Command. Under whom the infamous Mirage 2000's from Gwalior AFS messed up their Spice 2000s. He says;
Just recently, Mumbai police released a 500 page document of Arnab Goswami's whatsapp chat with several individuals/groups. A little digging, and you find out that this country's entire military establishment is a sham and feel good types. And in the end, we have the infamous sacked Air Marshal Chandrashekharan Hari Kumar, AOC West found lying even after losing command. Talk about staying relevant.
In the below article, he talks about the level of secrecy of Balakot Strike. Apparently, it was even kept from the AOC Central Command. Under whom the infamous Mirage 2000's from Gwalior AFS messed up their Spice 2000s. He says;
timepass
Brigadier
However, to anyone's surprise, this vomiting nationalist, Arnab knew about the strike for the past THREE days. And was found to be casually sharing this information with someone on whatsapp.
Later, he somehow sees an F-16 going down inside Pakistan. At the same time and this is important; he reports a plane down in Srinagar (read: Su-30MKI) while he reports from Budgam (read: Mi-17 fratricide)
Earlier, he is found to be rejoicing the attack on Indian forces in Pulwama. And cites it as an opportunity.
Later, he somehow sees an F-16 going down inside Pakistan. At the same time and this is important; he reports a plane down in Srinagar (read: Su-30MKI) while he reports from Budgam (read: Mi-17 fratricide)
Earlier, he is found to be rejoicing the attack on Indian forces in Pulwama. And cites it as an opportunity.
That depends on ones prospective... but it sort of is a “token”... MK1A as I understand is as you say intended to replace all the MIG 21s but in addition is also intended to replace 2 squadrons of MIG 27s... if so it’s basically a one to one swap/replacement... and does not plug any gap in the IAF forces as defined by the IAF... since there was also the intent for the procurement of an additional 114 aircraft (originally 144, but 36 have been filled by the prior Rafale procurement) specifically for plugging the gap in the IAF fleet... considering the IAF intends to upgrade the other older aircrafts in their inventory in conjunction with these procurements, would it not be wiser to procure more of the Tejas MK1A, a newer airframe for future replacements of the other older aircrafts, further expanding and solidify the production line, this also consolidates supply chains, of the Tejas readying for MK 2 production later, as well as temporarily filling an existing gap and allowing time to consider which aircraft to fill the additional procurement requirements whether that be foreign models or the AMCA program... based on the current facts available and the situation described by the Indians themselves, I can only consider the 83 aircraft (73 combat and 10 trainers) as a token...
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That's at least several years worth of production(and even then it's several years away to begin with), and more fighters than most A/Forces around the world have.
+current plan is that at some point MWF shall come online. Just a second intermediate version, plugging that the original mk. 1 should've done.
As I understand it the difference of the MK1A and MK1 is primarily in the internal systems, so the current production line can be leveraged with minimal changes, so long as all the testing have been done and verified.
The number of fighters needed isn’t dependent on what the rest of the world has but what the requirements of the IAF says and according to them even with the additional 83 there is still the shortfall of an additional 114, furthermore, there will be other older aircraft slated for decommissioning and will require replacements in the coming 5-10 years on top of the MIG 21s and MIG 27s that the order is meant to replace...
Finally MWF is still on the drawing board... with the expected first flight of 2023... after that who knows when production will actually begin, there is also the consideration of the Su-30MK1’s production coming to an end, while the Tejas is not the same class/role of aircraft, the situation that India is in right now, any additional combat aircraft is a plus... MWF represent much greater changes... there are also not-so-minor airframe changes in addition to internal system changes... with the track record of the Tejas program so far we might not see the MWF anytime soon after the first flight and thus the plugging will still need to be done anyway... at the very least the MK1A is currently considered an acceptable aircraft...