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- Thread starter bd popeye
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Unlike LOC there is no place for hiding here for both sides and unlike 62 you don't have any advantage in both man and machine. Just to give to you a slight info about recent standoff. India brought soldiers to frontline so fast whole PLA military leadership was rattled.
Here's the the map of Indian military formation in ladakh alone.
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That's more than 70,000 troops at peace time alone. Be careful what you wish for.
Impressive.
How much do they eat into your military budget just for maintaining it?
There are no industrial bases, no clusters of big cities or civilian populations, and no major agricultural productions whatsoever in these frozen patches of rocks.
What's the rationale to not strike a border deal with China, who is willing to negotiate to have one sealed and done since Zhou Enlai's time ? China keeps Aksai Chin and India gets South Tibet aka Arunachal Pradesh, from which PLA voluntarily withdrawn in 62 war.
Video was made by one of the soldier on his mobile. a unit generally carry a video recorder or a proper camera like this.
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You can hear in that video officer telling a soldier to bring camera an take photo and make video of vehicle.
soldier who made this on his Chinese phone probably shared it with his Buddies and someone leaked it.
So you agree that the Indian mobile soldiers are being irresponsible for leaking the video to avoid the unnecessary trouble cause by trolling, Your words and not mine.
All we can see from the edited video only showing the end of the altercation is the Chinese soldier by himself after being attacked and surrounded by a group of Indian soldiers. All sides apparently are unarmed. So basically a group of thugs were beating on one unarmed guy who got out of his vehicle thinking the group would not be violent lol. Let's see if Indian side will try that on another group instead of a lone soldier. Also the trying to run over Indian soldiers claim is just that, a claim. And a claim from the Indians no less... that's saying a lot about the trustworthiness of the claim.
Essentially again there's not much to say about this clip and what happened. Indians are foolishly making crazy conclusions. Get real, what happened was one unarmed guy being beaten by a group. That's all there was to this in isolation. Whether this incident will contribute towards any action or decision making remains to be seen. Probably not since this isn't unprecedented.
Essentially again there's not much to say about this clip and what happened. Indians are foolishly making crazy conclusions. Get real, what happened was one unarmed guy being beaten by a group. That's all there was to this in isolation. Whether this incident will contribute towards any action or decision making remains to be seen. Probably not since this isn't unprecedented.
since we are upgrading border infrastructure with proper roads... it has rattled PLA.That's indeed a lot of troops if true. I doubt Beijing will allow intrusions for long. But they can't exactly go to war without meeting some serious international fallout. No matter how they play it other than giving in to India's "intrusion" (I'm still iffy about this whole thing but it looks more like India is the one intruding into territory India considers its own and China considers otherwise). I still wish all these disputed territories can be ended one way or another. Fighting it out seems like the only way since neither side will give in. It may seem like China's ready to give in but there's a lot of corroborating info that will need to come out in future in order to verify this. Personally I doubt Chinese people will let the CCP ignore a border issue now that it's sort of recognised in China as well. I anticipate developments here in coming weeks/months.
senior PLA leadership know in case of future hostilities India can bring troops faster. To thwarted that Chinese tried to build bunker on four places at Galwan specially on Gogra top and one on northern side of pangong lake. they are backing there build-up there with armoured and around 30 artillery guns. While India neither brought armoured nor artillery. Even above video being circulated is not of Indian army but ITBP a police force basically..... officer is from Indian army though.
But after PLA silent sneak in thinking there won't be any reaction like in past.... Indian army started rapid build-up which rattled your military leadership. I think there will be a rapid de-escalation on both sides and if PLA tries to act smart again things won't turn good for her and for region regards.
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Chinese troops blacktopping track in disputed ‘finger’ area in Ladakh amid border tensions
The fresh Chinese construction activity is happening around Finger 4 in Pangong lake area. China also blocked the route of Indian patrol teams in the disputed region.
The fresh Chinese construction activity is happening around Finger 4 in Pangong lake area. China also blocked the route of Indian patrol teams in the disputed region.
Industrial base for what a toy, shoe or cloths ? as for border negotiation I don't think Chinese are in mood from the things going on ground or in POK. Whole aksai chin along with Shaksgam valley and POk is legal Indian Territory.... not a single inch is negotiable period.Impressive.
How much do they eat into your military budget just for maintaining it?
There are no industrial bases, no clusters of big cities or civilian populations, and no major agricultural productions whatsoever in these frozen patches of rocks.
What's the rationale to not strike a border deal with China, who is willing to negotiate to have one sealed and done since Zhou Enlai's time ? China keeps Aksai Chin and India gets South Tibet aka Arunachal Pradesh, from which PLA voluntarily withdrawn in 62 war.
since we are upgrading border infrastructure with proper roads... it has rattled PLA.
senior PLA leadership know in case of future hostilities India can bring troops faster. To thwarted that Chinese tried to build bunker on four places at Galwan specially on Gogra top and one on northern side of pangong lake. they are backing there build-up there with armoured and around 30 artillery guns. While India neither brought armoured nor artillery. Even above video being circulated is not of Indian army but ITBP a police force basically..... officer is from Indian army though.
But after PLA silent sneak in thinking there won't be any reaction like in past.... Indian army started rapid build-up which rattled your military leadership. I think there will a rapid de-escalation on both sides and if PLA tries to act smart again things won't turn good for her and for region regards.
Personally I'm no fan of China being so hawkish with regards to these borders. They are not historically as "Chinese" as opposed to say Taiwan island. Or even HK where matters are relatively dire for CCP and the PRC as a whole by association. I would have happily settle the matter with India's satisfaction and then end this for all time. If any more encroachment or flare ups happen after that, then I'd be more justified in responding harshly. This could really be how the CCP will play this but just with much less magnanimity and slowly backing off. But they could also be uncompromising. We'll see in coming weeks/months maybe even years (CCP makes these sorts of moves very slowly and seemingly with a lot of planning).
However I trust if it really came to a proper war between the two, India will be comfortably defeated unless if wants to keep escalating to significant losses of both sides. Factor in further diminishing returns for China due to trade between the two currently very much in China's favour. Yet another reason why China will lose more when considering non-military concerns. So even if the military transgression ends in China's favour, it will lose a lot of income currently being made through the Indian market and it'll not likely be able to gain any new territories since it will still be regarded as either disputed or Indian by the international community and of course India itself.
So basically fighting for China will yield it no favourable solution since if it wins, the dispute is still there and China will be seen as the bad guy by everyone and if it loses, well it loses the territory and it'll lose face and CCP's lead will be questioned. Therefore I think chances of China really fighting here is slim to none even if they make some show of force in a hope to discourage very blatant Indian aggression. Modi probably already thought this through and have arrived at the same conclusions. How he plays it is important. If he makes it too obvious and insulting to CCP to Chinese people, then CCP's hand may be forced and rather than backing off, they may escalate this further towards a skirmish or war.
Fighting also takes a lot away from the eastern side unless both sides contain the fighting. Use of army is fine but will depend how much resources from the airforce is diverted from the east to the south west. The CCP's play (in light of facts being established that this is more Indian intrusion away from old positions) may actually be a slowed crash landing where they play off the significance of this issue and basically let India take chunks of this disputed area. Which India is doing because it has correctly (as far as we can tell) calculated non-involvement from the CCP.
Now the incorrect assumption made by many bhakts I've noticed is that China is not fighting because it is scared or unwilling. The truth if it stays this way, is more likely that it has nothing to gain from fighting and India simply made the correct moves at the correct time. However just like China not winning the disputed territory even if it wins a war, CCP may well revisit this in future when it is less distracted and re-engage with the status quo assumed from before India's recent movements. It goes both ways. Again I'd love to see this issue resolved and wouldn't really mind seeing some real skirmishes/war between India and China over these disputes.
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Short of a war, there's no way India will have it.
It's just a huge drain on your limited resources to plot and eke out an impossible marginal gain along LOC.
India's future doesn't depend on hot border war with China, and likewise for China.
Unless CCP just settles this dispute with India and gives in. India will not relinquish. So either CCP just goes in and sorts this out with force or it backs off for good. It appears CCP prefers the slowly backing off as if it was never there approach. The Indians are celebrating for good reason because they've won it without challenge and they called CCP's bluff. Unless things change soon and China responds in any diplomatic or violent way that pushes Indians back to previous positions.
Also both India and China can have cooperative futures in ways of trade and other things with a hot border. It just makes it more difficult and unstable. However India will not see this as a drain on resources, every inch counts to both sides but honestly I think counts less for the CCP despite China's insistence on keeping these disputes alive. The main issue here is access to freshwater sources and as long as Tibet is Chinese, a few bits of land with no freshwater isn't going to be some sort of dagger pointed at China's heart. It's almost as similarly unimportant to India to be honest but it's a game of showing resolve and actual resolve. Territory should belong to the victors or the one who stands ground. If it's India, then so be it. We'll see how the CCP responds if it has any.
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