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berserk said:

probably just like Chinese pay Russians to get know how but mostly get inferior products in return like those noisy Chinese submarine.
On par I mean carrying K 5... K 6 SLBM comparable to M 51, trident and Bulava class of SLBM. India has already tested K-5 motors back in 2017..will be part of upcoming S 4 class SSBNs.

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You see India don't like to brag about it's capabilities like Chinese fanboys do about there junk HQ 9 to 20 , J-20 etc etc... and end up importing russians S 400, SU -35 etc in end.
India just don't want to build noisy submarine like Chinese and are waiting for something like Borei class or there western counterparts at minimum in term of capabilities.

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Pardon to contradict and even if I always highly appreciate all Your posts on Indian news, I would kindly ask you to stop with such stupid claims: Since no-one knows the real capabilities of the PLA systems, it is plain naive to rate the "Chinese ... junk HQ 9 to 20 , J-20 etc etc", while at the same time we all know that India has its issues: the delays in the Tejas program are a epitome example of this, the mess around the Vikramatitya and now the similar delayed Vikrant are additional ones ... shall I continue?

As such to tell Chinese stuff "junk" while at the same time claiming the K 6 SLBM could be "comparable to M 51, trident and Bulava class of SLBM" will be at least accepted with a huge pile of salt!

berserk said:

probably just like Chinese pay Russians to get know how but mostly get inferior products in return like those noisy Chinese submarine.
On par I mean carrying K 5... K 6 SLBM comparable to M 51, trident and Bulava class of SLBM. India has already tested K-5 motors back in 2017..will be part of upcoming S 4 class SSBNs.

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You see India don't like to brag about it's capabilities like Chinese fanboys do about there junk HQ 9 to 20 , J-20 etc etc... and end up importing russians S 400, SU -35 etc in end.
India just don't want to build noisy submarine like Chinese and are waiting for something like Borei class or there western counterparts at minimum in term of capabilities.

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The denial is strong with this one.

When an Indian SAM joins an interventional open tender and outperforms all other entrants, including the mainstay SAMs of both the US and Russia, then you have a right to a seat at a table. Before then you are just a rude heckler.

Lol you can taste the yucky butthurt from continents away. The noisy submarines he made up to the "junk" J-20 that mighty Indian non-existent radar can detect from 4000km away

The inferior Chinese diesel noisy subs that have AIP... something Indian Kilos and even all Russian Kilos until very recent upgrades are proposing, do not have. Nice try. Make some other lies up.

FYI, the noisy claims came from the US and was about the Type 093... a decades old nuclear attack sub. Something from the 2000s which India today could not and have not built. It'll be 10 years before India could even begin to build something as noisy as the 093 lol. Another 20 years to actually develop and build it past big talk and shit drawings.

plawolf said:

The denial is strong with this one.

When an Indian SAM joins an interventional open tender and outperforms all other entrants, including the mainstay SAMs of both the US and Russia, then you have a right to a seat at a table. Before then you are just a rude heckler.

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Indian SAMS have barely made it into their own service let alone prove in international tenders like the "junk" HQ-9 won in Turkey. Only SAM to hit all its targets... that's right HQ-9 beating S-300 and Patriot. Those mighty Indian SAMs were still being tested back then. Now the HQ-9 is old news in PLA. Still the India performance equivalent barely exists in drawings. Of course when it does come out, it'll be 999^n km range and 112.5% hit probability.

berserk said:

probably just like Chinese pay Russians to get know how but mostly get inferior products in return like those noisy Chinese submarine.
On par I mean carrying K 5... K 6 SLBM comparable to M 51, trident and Bulava class of SLBM. India has already tested K-5 motors back in 2017..will be part of upcoming S 4 class SSBNs.

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You see India don't like to brag about it's capabilities like Chinese fanboys do about there junk HQ 9 to 20 , J-20 etc etc... and end up importing russians S 400, SU -35 etc in end.
India just don't want to build noisy submarine like Chinese and are waiting for something like Borei class or there western counterparts at minimum in term of capabilities.

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Berserk aptly illustrate the difference between arms procurement by Chinese and Indian military.

Initially, the PLA indeed was willing to accept "junks or inferior import products" or products build on inferior imported technology. This providing profit to China's military industrial complex to refine, improve and innovate. As a result, a majority of current Chinese weapon systems are indigenous and at or approaching world class level. China today is a net exporter of military hardware.

The Indian armed services, by contrast, insist on best in class products and technology. As a result, India is the second largest arms importer in the world, and has few indigenous weapons in service that can be competitive with foreign counterparts. India has many good and creative engineers. Imagine what systems like Tejas, Arjun and Insas, for example, would be capable of today if the India military is willing to widely adopt their first model, and how many jobs will be created and how much foreign reserves can be saved/earned.

Deino said:

Pardon to contradict and even if I always highly appreciate all Your posts on Indian news, I would kindly ask you to stop with such stupid claims: Since no-one knows the real capabilities of the PLA systems, it is plain naive to rate the "Chinese ... junk HQ 9 to 20 , J-20 etc etc", while at the same time we all know that India has its issues: the delays in the Tejas program are a epitome example of this, the mess around the Vikramatitya and now the similar delayed Vikrant are additional ones ... shall I continue?

As such to tell Chinese stuff "junk" while at the same time claiming the K 6 SLBM could be "comparable to M 51, trident and Bulava class of SLBM" will be at least accepted with a huge pile of salt!

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I didn't started it....as for PLA capabilities
Claiming that they are hiding some kind of wonder weapon is simply a joke to laugh at ....I will take my word back on J 20 given it has a better potential in long run than SU 57 for now at least But will Chinese deliver is a different thing all together and for K 6 it is still more than a decade away at minimum...and real challenge for us in long is propulsion and russian assistance is very much expected.

plawolf said:

The denial is strong with this one.

When an Indian SAM joins an interventional open tender and outperforms all other entrants, including the mainstay SAMs of both the US and Russia, then you have a right to a seat at a table. Before then you are just a rude heckler.

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Yes I am in denial of Chinese buying S 400 . HQ 9 didn't outperform Americans nor russians.... politics did... but only for a short time period though.... as far as Indian SAM system is concerned , we already have a better system in medium range category jointly developed with Israel called MRSAM(barak-8).
... outperforming foreign counterparts is no big deal....you see we managed to outperform both Russians and polish to win WLR contract in Armenia few weeks ago...... by Chinese fanboy logic we are probably better than Russians now lol.

ougoah said:

Indian SAMS have barely made it into their own service let alone prove in international tenders like the "junk" HQ-9 won in Turkey. Only SAM to hit all its targets... that's right HQ-9 beating S-300 and Patriot. Those mighty Indian SAMs were still being tested back then. Now the HQ-9 is old news in PLA. Still the India performance equivalent barely exists in drawings. Of course when it does come out, it'll be 999^n km range and 112.5% hit probability.

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HQ 9 is not some kind of wonder weapon we have better system called MRSAM , go ask your govt why they are buying S 400

@Deino I don't have any personal grudge or hate against Chinese people, most Indians don't even care.....India , China relations have improved despite Chinese conning us big time. it's Chinese establishment which need to decide what they want in long run....I think there will be give and take, compromises on both sides but if Chinese think they can roll over us by themselves or using Pakistan.. they are living in la la land. Here is a good video by previous NSA on India China relations and where we are heading.

berserk said:

I don't know....even I am surprised.

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The data signal is probably embedded in varying in fan speed (frequency)

berserk said:

I didn't started it....as for PLA capabilities
Claiming that they are hiding some kind of wonder weapon is simply a joke to laugh at ....I will take my word back on J 20 given it has a better potential in long run than SU 57 for now at least But will Chinese deliver is a different thing all together and for K 6 it is still more than a decade away at minimum...and real challenge for us in long is propulsion and russian assistance is very much expected.

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The Russians are only buying 78 Su-57.
And the Su-57 is definitely a lot less stealthy than the J-20.

In comparison, there are already 30? j-20 in service, and this is only low-rate initial production.
I reckon there will be somewhere between 400-800 produced in total.

berserk said:

Yes I am in denial of Chinese buying S 400 . HQ 9 didn't outperform Americans nor russians.... politics did... but only for a short time period though.... as far as Indian SAM system is concerned , we already have a better system in medium range category jointly developed with Israel called MRSAM(barak-8).

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The HQ-9 and Barak-8 aren't comparable. Look at the difference.

HQ-9
Weight: 1300kg
Range: 200km-300km
Speed: Mach 4.2

Barak-8
Weight: 275kg
Range: 100km
Speed: Mach 2

The Barak-8 is a smaller medium-range SAM, which is really SLOW.
The HQ-9 is a long-range SAM which is FAST.

It means a Flanker (at Mach 2.5) can outrun a Barak-8, but not a HQ-9.