Now how will they lift it up again...
By using another giant crane of course!
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By using another giant crane of course!
Dizasta1
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If only Bharat could realize the true potential of S.C.O where the combined might of Russia, China, Bharat, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey and the Central Asian Republics would the region a world of good. Pakistan knows and recognizes this potential and has made consistent overtures toward peace. Knowing that if Bharat truly joined S.C.O, it would become an integral part of B.R.I and this would give countries like Bangladesh, Myanmar, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam would also benefit from, uplifting entire regions of the great continent of Asia.
We hope for the best and watch intently.
There are no pics of the Indian built SSBNs over the internet except three 1) during its inauguration ceremony from the front 2) it being escorted out by tugboats. 3) a photo was taken far off from the beach with a Chetak helicopter hovering over it. No one has ever come close enough to actually take a decent picture. the way these are bought into the harbor and out are totally out of the line of sight. No matter how much you surf ull only get the pics of the Russian Akula, not the others. since 2014 security has been increased multifold around SBC.
it would be foolish to actually believe the most prized possessions being knocked out of the sea. That too published by only one newspaper whose source is " a source", Indian MSM is really good at building castles out of garbage. There's a lot more to that story than that. I think you know what I mean. Word out there is there are more in numbers than what is being published.
Dizasta1
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I take it that the nuclear submarine of indian navy is still out of commission? Have to say though, that the article does pose some serious questions about the initial report on the submarines so-called accident. Also, it is interesting to note that at the height of the Doklam escalation, that the indian government had ordered the mobilization of nuclear assets.
I can tell you few things but cant provide evidence for it. ill give you a clue, the first SSBN was launched in 2009. SBC, where these are built, is big enough to house two of them. the second SSBN was launched for sea trials in Nov 2017. And the news came out that the half-finished boat is moved to the piers for additional fitting so they can start building the next two in its class. So for 8 years, you think they only built one hull? There are gossips of Arihant going on long missions as far as the Mediterranean sea on a 4 whole months.
The second submarine was supposed to be named adhiraman stated by the naval chief himself multiple times in the since the last decade but somehow the second SSBN launched last year is named . And, now the stupidest thing of all. the cheapest car in the market have door sensors that sound when the door isn't closed properly, you they somehow missed to install an alert sensor on a 2 billion$ sub? It is up to you to choose what to believe.
Indian Nuclear projects are kept as a crown jewel in secrecy. Americans couldn't detect the 5 nuclear tests done in 1998 until announced by the PM the next day or there is no cable in wiki leaks regarding the information the US has on Indian strategic command but has all the info on the Russian Chinese and Pakistanis. I can say India built super awesome subs, for all I care it could be a tin can but one thing they are good at is hiding stuff from the public eye.
I think the intelligence agencies in China would know if India is building a secret ballistic missile sub. They may have and we may not know about it but all the major players will. You cannot hide that sort of activity. It isn't building an ICBM under a shed. There are only a few shipyards or maybe only one capable of building an Arihant like sub. You can't hide that activity for a few years.
The hatch story does seem unlikely however you look at it. Seems to be an excuse. India's one SLBM capable sub being deployed due to Doklam disagreement would have been a defensive move against assumed or observed Chinese military aggression. Arihant by itself couldn't really do much as a preliminary striker. Chinese nuclear arsenal is all over the place and stockpile likely to be dozens of times larger. The delivery methods and platforms as well. So mobilising the Arihant to act as preliminary strike doesn't make any sense. It's like shooting at a tank with a pistol, even if all it's warheads hit their targets of known Chinese nuclear sites, Indian will be met with full scale retaliation. Mobilising Arihant as a defensive measure to act in response to Chinese using nuclear weapons is more likely but we all know China would have been nowhere near that level of insanity. There is a no first use policy in place... we won't need to list the consequences on China if it did plan on preliminary strike on India. Mobilising the Arihant as a precautionary measure is possible too but why invent a story about a damage that knocked it out of commission.
Hiding stuff from the public eye and hiding stuff from constant military surveillance is different. Even if there was a hint (satellite indicating more tools, material etc transported to shipyard) that India is building another nuclear sub, the major players will assume it is in the process or has already completed and probe further using more hands on methods.
It's reasonable to conclude that the Arihant does have problems. It likely has serious technical problems and they are trying to hide that embarrassment with the fiction of the unclosed hatch that either doesn't exist or will never have been left open due to sensors/ procedures/ checks etc. The problem they are hiding must be far more embarrassing that the fiction invented to disguise it. Or maybe they are trying to save face for Russia. Either way, it's not a very effective submarine at the moment.
The hatch story does seem unlikely however you look at it. Seems to be an excuse. India's one SLBM capable sub being deployed due to Doklam disagreement would have been a defensive move against assumed or observed Chinese military aggression. Arihant by itself couldn't really do much as a preliminary striker. Chinese nuclear arsenal is all over the place and stockpile likely to be dozens of times larger. The delivery methods and platforms as well. So mobilising the Arihant to act as preliminary strike doesn't make any sense. It's like shooting at a tank with a pistol, even if all it's warheads hit their targets of known Chinese nuclear sites, Indian will be met with full scale retaliation. Mobilising Arihant as a defensive measure to act in response to Chinese using nuclear weapons is more likely but we all know China would have been nowhere near that level of insanity. There is a no first use policy in place... we won't need to list the consequences on China if it did plan on preliminary strike on India. Mobilising the Arihant as a precautionary measure is possible too but why invent a story about a damage that knocked it out of commission.
Hiding stuff from the public eye and hiding stuff from constant military surveillance is different. Even if there was a hint (satellite indicating more tools, material etc transported to shipyard) that India is building another nuclear sub, the major players will assume it is in the process or has already completed and probe further using more hands on methods.
It's reasonable to conclude that the Arihant does have problems. It likely has serious technical problems and they are trying to hide that embarrassment with the fiction of the unclosed hatch that either doesn't exist or will never have been left open due to sensors/ procedures/ checks etc. The problem they are hiding must be far more embarrassing that the fiction invented to disguise it. Or maybe they are trying to save face for Russia. Either way, it's not a very effective submarine at the moment.
Dizasta1
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That is very interesting to read. It would make sense that India would build more than just one nuclear submarine. As per strategic doctrine, the Indian military is suppose to manage a two front war against it's main adversaries, China and Pakistan. Which would mean it requires at least two nuclear submarines deployed for combat against each adversary. Logical deduction would lead to the conclusion that India has a strategic requirement of a minimum of six nuclear submarines. Whereby one is always combat deployable, another in reserve, while the third would be in for maintenance.
We shall have to wait and see how many nuclear submarines Indian Navy ends up with.
Hendrik_2000
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China Sends New Carrier For Trials, India Tries To Play Catch-Up
At the moment, the Indian Navy operates a single Russian-built aircraft carrier, the INS Vikramaditya, which it acquired in 2013
| Written by | Updated: May 22, 2018 13:21 IST
India's first home-grown aircraft carrier, Vikrant, will be commissioned in October 2020
New Delhi: Confronted by the unprecedented growth of the Chinese Navy which has just completed a round of sea trials of its first home-grown aircraft carrier, India has stepped up the pace of completing construction of its first made-in-India carrier being built in Kochi.
Senior sources in the Indian Navy have said the Vikrant (named after India's first aircraft carrier) will enter sea trials by May or June 2020, and be that year. Integrated trials of the warship within the confines of the harbour will be completed prior to the sea trials. Senior Navy officers, however, point out that it could take up to four years after the Vikrant is commissioned for the aircraft carrier to be battle-ready and fully operational in all respects.
For the moment, the Navy is relieved that delivery of key systems of the warship whose delivery had been delayed have now started coming in and are being fitted onto the warship. This includes the primary sensor of the aircraft carrier, the Israeli EL/M-228 MF-STAR active electronically scanned array naval radar.
The MF-STAR is designed to track multiple targets in the air and on the surface of the sea at long ranges. Similarly, components of the Russian-designed aviation complex meant to provide air traffic guidance, in addition to landing aids for the , will begin arriving within months.
The project to build the Vikrant has seen an astronomical jump in project estimates.
According to the Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG), the government's financial watchdog, the Defence Ministry had first planned the construction of an indigenous aircraft carrier in 1999 at a cost of Rs. 1,725.24 crore with delivery of the ship in eight to 10 years.
By 2002, the Navy defined its requirements which were for a larger aircraft carrier displacing more than 37,000 tonnes. This raised the project costs to Rs. 3,261 crore with delivery of the ship expected in December 2010.
But by March 2014, the cost estimates of the project were again revised. This time, they went up to a whopping Rs. 19,341 crore, or more than $3 billion. Delivery of the ship was meant to happen in December this year. This deadline will clearly be missed.
By contrast, of its first home-made aircraft carrier, a 70,000-tonne warship, earlier this month. Construction of the ship began in November 2013. By contrast, the keel of India's Vikrant was laid in February 2009, and though she was sailed out for the first time in in 2011, completion of the project is still years away.
China's first indigenous aircraft carrier, the Type 002 has just completed 5 days of sea trials (photo courtesy: @xinfengcao)
Worried about the , the Indian Navy also wants the government to sanction a substantially larger aircraft carrier in addition to 57 new-generation maritime fighter jets which it would embark. The total project cost for this warship with its complement of new aircraft, if it were sanctioned, would be in the range of $4 to $5 billion.
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The Defence Ministry hasn't sanctioned this project at the moment despite repeated attempts by the Indian Navy, which insists that air cover for India's areas of interest must be based around aircraft carriers which are mobile airfields.
"Our goal is to get a favourable air situation over the area that you are targeting. Nothing should get through," said a senior officer who added that it was not enough for India to "just have bases in the (Andaman and Nicobar) islands."
India's first and only aircraft carrier, the INS Vikramaditya, is fully operational (photo courtesy: Indian Navy)
At the moment, the Indian Navy operates a single Russian-built aircraft carrier, the INS Vikramaditya, which it acquired in 2013. The Navy has consistently argued that it needs a minimum of three aircraft carriers to ensure that at least two such warships are available for deployment at any given time.
