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India knocked its new, $3 billion nuclear-missile sub out of commission — by leaving a hatch open . . .
[By Jared Keller, Task & Purpose]

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Reported back on 9th January. The modern submarine is not a simple machine. A loss of propulsion, unexpected flooding, or trouble with reactors or weapons can doom a sub crew to a watery grave.

Also, it’s a good idea to, like, close the hatches before you dive.

Call it a lesson learned for the Indian navy, which managed to put the country’s first nuclear-missile submarine, the $2.9 billion INS Arihant, out of commission in the most boneheaded way possible.

The Hindu reported yesterday that the Arihant has been out of commission since suffering “major damage” some 10 months ago, due to what a navy source characterized as a “human error” — to wit: allowing water to flood to sub’s propulsion compartment after failing to secure one of the vessel’s external hatches.

Water “rushed in as a hatch on the rear side was left open by mistake while [the Arihant] was at harbor” in February 2017, shortly after the submarine’s launch, The Hindu reports. Since then, the sub “has been undergoing repairs and clean up,” according to the paper: “Besides other repair work, many pipes had to be cut open and replaced.”

It’s hard to articulate how major a f----up this is, but Kyle Mizokami does a good job at Popular Mechanics: Indian authorities ordered the pipe replacement because they “likely felt that pipes exposed to corrosive seawater couldn’t be trusted again, particularly pipes that carry pressurized water coolant to and from the ship’s 83 megawatt nuclear reactor.” For context, a submarine assigned to Britain’s Royal Navy narrowly avoided a complete reactor meltdown in 2012 after the power sources for its coolant system failed.

The incident is also quite an embarrassment — and strategic concern — for the Indian Armed Forces. A Russian Akula-class attack sub modified to accommodate a variety of ballistic missiles, the Arihant represented a major advance in India’s nuclear triad after its completion in October 2016. (India in 1974 became the 6th country to conduct a successful nuclear test.)

Indeed, the Arihant’s ability to deliver K-15 short-range and K-4 intermediate-range nuclear missiles was envisioned as a powerful deterrent against India’s uneasy nuclear state neighbor, Pakistan.

“Arihant is the most important platform within India’s nuclear triad covering land-air-sea modes,” the Hindu reports. Well, it’s important if it works — and it probably helps to make your submarine watertight.

This is just some sloppy, dangerous seamanship, and the Indian Navy better get its act together fast. Either that, or perhaps follow the Royal Navy’s lead and install the 2001-era Windows XP as an operating system on all your most vital vessels. That way, you can blame the blue screen of death instead of “human error” for the next critical foul-up. Although even outdated software probably knows enough to dog down on all the hatches.

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Brigadier
No deal: Why Russia won't develop an ‘Indian’ Su-57

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Russia has refused to reveal the production secrets of fifth-generation jet fighters ‘for free’; India, for its part, has decided that a deal is not appropriate for an aircraft ‘that is not up to being called the fighter plane of the new millennium’.

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PiSigma

"the engineer"
No deal: Why Russia won't develop an ‘Indian’ Su-57

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Russia has refused to reveal the production secrets of fifth-generation jet fighters ‘for free’; India, for its part, has decided that a deal is not appropriate for an aircraft ‘that is not up to being called the fighter plane of the new millennium’.

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Seems ridiculous that India expects 100% of technology and manufacturing secrets for basically only $300 million (or peanuts) investment. If they had invested billions, like 50% of cost, then sure ask for everything.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
India knocked its new, $3 billion nuclear-missile sub out of commission — by leaving a hatch open . . .
[By Jared Keller, Task & Purpose]

31453672_850552695115226_432532820506705920_n.jpg


Reported back on 9th January. The modern submarine is not a simple machine. A loss of propulsion, unexpected flooding, or trouble with reactors or weapons can doom a sub crew to a watery grave.

Also, it’s a good idea to, like, close the hatches before you dive.

Call it a lesson learned for the Indian navy, which managed to put the country’s first nuclear-missile submarine, the $2.9 billion INS Arihant, out of commission in the most boneheaded way possible.

The Hindu reported yesterday that the Arihant has been out of commission since suffering “major damage” some 10 months ago, due to what a navy source characterized as a “human error” — to wit: allowing water to flood to sub’s propulsion compartment after failing to secure one of the vessel’s external hatches.

Water “rushed in as a hatch on the rear side was left open by mistake while [the Arihant] was at harbor” in February 2017, shortly after the submarine’s launch, The Hindu reports. Since then, the sub “has been undergoing repairs and clean up,” according to the paper: “Besides other repair work, many pipes had to be cut open and replaced.”

It’s hard to articulate how major a f----up this is, but Kyle Mizokami does a good job at Popular Mechanics: Indian authorities ordered the pipe replacement because they “likely felt that pipes exposed to corrosive seawater couldn’t be trusted again, particularly pipes that carry pressurized water coolant to and from the ship’s 83 megawatt nuclear reactor.” For context, a submarine assigned to Britain’s Royal Navy narrowly avoided a complete reactor meltdown in 2012 after the power sources for its coolant system failed.

The incident is also quite an embarrassment — and strategic concern — for the Indian Armed Forces. A Russian Akula-class attack sub modified to accommodate a variety of ballistic missiles, the Arihant represented a major advance in India’s nuclear triad after its completion in October 2016. (India in 1974 became the 6th country to conduct a successful nuclear test.)

Indeed, the Arihant’s ability to deliver K-15 short-range and K-4 intermediate-range nuclear missiles was envisioned as a powerful deterrent against India’s uneasy nuclear state neighbor, Pakistan.

“Arihant is the most important platform within India’s nuclear triad covering land-air-sea modes,” the Hindu reports. Well, it’s important if it works — and it probably helps to make your submarine watertight.

This is just some sloppy, dangerous seamanship, and the Indian Navy better get its act together fast. Either that, or perhaps follow the Royal Navy’s lead and install the 2001-era Windows XP as an operating system on all your most vital vessels. That way, you can blame the blue screen of death instead of “human error” for the next critical foul-up. Although even outdated software probably knows enough to dog down on all the hatches.

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Quite honestly I’m not very impress with the training and seakeeping qualities of IN personnels. While it’s true that ALL navies are susceptible to human errors, in a general sense I find IN’s quality to be a tad below par compared to many other navies of the world. I’ve been impressed with the JMSDF, RSN, most NATO navies and a few others. They all seemed quite squared away. I do not know PLAN intimately however based on what I’ve seen, read etc they appear to be on par with top tier navies these days.

As to this incident it’s ashamed that if true such a boneheaded mistake was even made. SSBN requires top tier crew. The best that your navy has to offer. If such a simple mistake was made, accidents are quite likely and the last thing you want from a crew of a SSBN is one who are prone to mistakes from a lack of training and dedication to excellence.
 
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kwaigonegin

Colonel
lol wot

Pretty hard to take any article that contains such wild inaccuracies seriously.

I wouldn’t necessarily called that wild innacuracies.
The Arihant is indeed based of off the Akula 1 class SSN and has the capability to carry both the K 15 and K 4 SLBMs.
But regardless of that, the story about the flooding of internal compartments due to stupid human error is true.
 

Lethe

Captain
I wouldn’t necessarily called that wild innacuracies.
The Arihant is indeed based of off the Akula 1 class SSN

The Arihant is smaller, with a smaller reactor plant, fewer torpedo tubes, and a ballistic missile compartment. The ATV project undoubtedly benefited significantly from Russian assistance and technologies, but to describe it as a "modified Akula" is ridiculous. You might as well call it a modified Kilo.
 
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kwaigonegin

Colonel
The Arihant is smaller, with a smaller reactor plant, fewer torpedo tubes, and a ballistic missile compartment. The ATV project undoubtedly benefited significantly from Russian assistance and technologies, but to describe it as a "modified Akula" is ridiculous. You might as well call it a modified Kilo.

LOL, this article is from business insider not a military or technical journal.. I give them a pass on the semantics. Anyway the primary reason of the article is not about Arihant itself but on the 'accident' which appears to be true.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
I don't know the reason for this dumb headline trying to incite animosity between China and India maybe
check this link for graph I am too lazy to show it here
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China Tensions Push India Into World's Top Five Defense Spenders
By
Iain Marlow
May 1, 2018, 6:00 PM CDT
  • Beijing spends far more on military than any other Asian power
  • Worldwide military spending 2.2 percent of global GDP: SIPRI
India has joined the U.S. and China as one of the world’s five biggest military spenders, reflecting geopolitical tensions as well as the country’s reliance on imported weapons and sprawling personnel costs.

New Delhi’s defense spending rose by 5.5 percent to $63.9 billion in 2017 and has now passed France, the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said in a report released Wednesday.

Worldwide military spending rose marginally last year to $1.73 trillion, or roughly 2.2 percent of global gross domestic product, the group said. The list of the world’s biggest military spenders has remained consistent in recent years, dominated by the U.S. and China, which spent $610 billion and $228 billion respectively, according to SIPRI, which researches global arms spending.

However, the group said the balance of military spending is "clearly shifting" toward Asia, Oceania and the Middle East, driven largely by spending increases in China, India and Saudi Arabia.

Arms Race
India is now among the top five countries spending the most on defense in 2017

Source: Stockholm International Peace Research Institute

China spends far more on its military than any other power in Asia.

Beijing’s share of worldwide military expenditure rose to 13 percent in 2017 from just 5.8 percent in 2008, according to SIPRI. The Chinese government has increased spending 8.5 percent per year between 2007 and 2016 and its leaders "seem committed to increases in defense spending for the foreseeable future, even as China’s economic growth slows,"
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to a U.S. Department of Defense report on China’s military.

In India’s case, however, increased spending doesn’t mean the armed forces are deploying state-of-the-art equipment. The rise in defense spending mostly goes toward salaries and pensions for roughly 1.4 million serving personnel and more than 2 million veterans, said Laxman Kumar Behera, a research fellow with New Delhi’s
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"Because so much money is consumed by manpower costs, there isn’t enough left over to buy equipment," Behera said.

India’s own army echoes that sentiment. Vice-Chief of Army Staff Lt. Gen. Sarath Chand
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a parliamentary committee in March the current budget barely accounts for inflation and tax payments. Only 14 percent goes toward military modernization compared to 63 percent for salaries, Chand said.

Paycheck Problems
India's armed forces spend so much on salaries there's not enough for buying new equipment

Source: Indian Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defense

SIPRI previously
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India as the world’s largest arms importer because its domestic defense manufacturing industry remains
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by red tape, a reliance on state-owned defense companies and procurement delays.

Faced with geopolitical threats from Pakistan and China, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has tried to boost domestic defense production with his ‘Make in India’ program.

Made in India?
Since Modi took power in 2014, defense procurement from Indian vendors actually declined

Source: India's Ministry of Defence; figures from a response to a parliamentary question

Yet Ministry of Defense data released in response to a parliamentary question
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that procurement from Indian vendors has declined since 2014 -- when Modi came to power -- while procurement from foreign vendors increased slightly. Overall equipment procurement also dipped, the data show.
 
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