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vesicles said:

Please explain to me why the US hasn't attacked the NK yet. It surely isn't because what the NK has done. I think everyone in the world knows that it's because China is stopping the US. And China is probably the ONLY reason that the US has not attacked the NK yet. If China is such a paper tiger, why is the US hesitating?

When China was building all their artificial islands in the South China Sea "illegally", why hasn't the US attacked those "illegal" structures? If China is being pushed around like a 4-ft tall and 80 Ibs nerd in a school hallway, what is stopping the 6'10" 300 Ibs gorilla from shoving him into a locker? Why is the jock still standing on the sideline and only yelling but not showing everyone who's the boss?

If the sole superpower in the world is showing its respect to China, "what China is not doing" may be more than what you think...

So why is China still not doing anything to India? Think of it this way. When you are a 6'2" 250 Ibs guy, you don't want to be seen beating up a 10-year old kid, no matter how much that kid is annoying the heck out of you. Yes, you can do it. But it does nothing to help your street cred.

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ougoah said:

Lol wow this guy. Please don't waste time with an obvious troll. Let him be. Probably just some agent with an interest in creating tension and war in Asia again.

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sanblvd said:

He is a long respected member of the forum, you just joined with 2 posts, who is attacking who?

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On June 18, Indian border troops crossed the China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector at the Duo Ka La (Doka La) pass and advanced more than 100 meters into Chinese territory.

The illegal crossing of a delimited boundary and entering the territory of a neighboring country violate China's sovereignty and territorial integrity, international law and basic norms governing international relations.

India has invented various excuses to justify its illegal action. The following are the facts:

What happened on June 18?

On June 16, the Chinese side was building a road in the Dong Lang area (Doklam), located in Yadong county of the Tibet Autonomous Region of China.On June 18, over 270 Indian border troops, carrying weapons and driving two bulldozers, crossed the boundary in the Sikkim Sector and advanced more than 100 meters into Chinese territory to obstruct the road building of the Chinese side, causing tension in the area.

The trespassing Indian troops, reaching as many as 400 people at one point, put up three tents and advanced over 180 meters into Chinese territory. As of the end of July, there were still over 40 Indian border troops and one bulldozer illegally staying in Chinese territory.

Does the Dong Lang area belong to China?

Yes.

The main focus of the dispute is the Dong Lang area.

In 1890, China and Britain signed the Convention Between Great Britain and China Relating to Sikkim and Tibet. Article I of the Convention stipulates that "The boundary of Sikkim and Tibet shall be the crest of the mountain range separating the waters flowing into the Sikkim Teesta and its affluents from the waters flowing into the Tibetan Mochu and northwards into other Rivers of Tibet. The line commences at Mount Gipmochi (currently known as Mount Ji Mu Ma Zhen) on the Bhutan frontier, and follows the above-mentioned water-parting to the point where it meets Nipal territory."

According to the Convention, the Dong Lang area, which is located on the Chinese side of the China-India boundary, is indisputably Chinese territory.

The stability and inviolability of boundaries are a fundamental principle enshrined in international law. The China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector as delimited by the 1890 Convention has been continuously valid and repeatedly reaffirmed by both the Chinese and Indian sides. Either side shall strictly abide by the boundary which shall not be violated.

Is Bhutan involved in the incident?

No.

The 1890 Convention has made it clear that the China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector commences at Mount Ji Mu Ma Zhen on the Bhutan frontier. Mount Ji Mu Ma Zhen is the eastern starting point of the China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector and it is also the boundary tri-junction between China, India and Bhutan.

The Indian troops' trespassing occurred at a place on the China-India boundary in the Sikkim Sector, more than 2,000 meters away from Mount Ji Mu Ma Zhen. Matters concerning the boundary tri-junction have nothing to do with this incident.

China and Bhutan have been engaged in negotiations and consultations to resolve their boundary issue since the 1980s. Although the boundary is yet to be formally delimited, the two sides have had 24 rounds of talks, conducted joint surveys in their border area and have reached basic consensus on the actual state of the border area and the alignment of their boundary.

What are the consequences of India's illegally crossing the China-India border?

According to the

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(UN) General Assembly Resolution 3314 adopted on Dec. 14, 1974, no consideration of whatsoever nature, whether political, economic, military or otherwise, may serve as a justification for the invasion or attack by the armed forces of a State of the territory of another State.

To cross a delimited boundary and enter the territory of a neighboring country on the grounds of so-called "security concerns," for whatever activities, runs counter to the basic principles of international law and basic norms governing international relations.

As a third party, India has no right to interfere in or impede the boundary talks between China and Bhutan, nor does it have the right to make territorial claims on Bhutan's behalf. India's intrusion into Chinese territory under the pretext of Bhutan has not only violated China's territorial sovereignty, but also challenged Bhutan's sovereignty and independence.

The Chinese government urges the Indian government to immediately withdraw its trespassing border troops back to the Indian side of the boundary and conduct a thorough investigation into the illegal trespassing so as to swiftly and appropriately resolve the incident and restore peace and tranquility to the border area between the two countries.

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plawolf said:

I think he was talking about war mad Yedellow.

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KIENCHIN said:

Incase you may not realise it, sanblvd is from India and one of the best troll I had ever come across in all my years surfing Chinese Military websites. He is good in playing mind games and is obviously well educated, I had been watching how he played with you and some other fellow forum members ever since this border incursion. Just wondering why moderators hasn't ban him.

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sanblvd said:

I was once upset for China's inaction on this, they were not mobilizing their military to strike nor did they do any serious effort in explain their point of view to the world. But now look like China is finally on a diplomatic push to explain their narrative.

Notice even though the West clearly favoring India, and trying to build them up into a anti-China coalition to contain China, but none of Western nation is taking India's side on this, this is simply because what India did was so ridiculous that no amount of bias will justify India's action.

Also notice that India only have 40 troops left, when they invade it was over 300, once China win this narrative war India will be even more isolated, and that gives China more options to do whatever it wants without criticism, they can strike those Indian soldiers that are still left there or just arrest them and no one will take India's side.

My final take on this is that before, China's India policy was mainly to just ignore India on purpose, keep the peace with India, but at same time India has been very provocative lately to towards China and China never took the bait. Now look like India got what it wanted, it now has China's full attention and they will regret it.

I expect China to strength its own India containment policy by getting even closer to India's neighbor like Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. And maybe secretly support separatist movements inside India. India will wish they never done this.

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plawolf said:

The more I think on this issue, the more I am worried it may end in war.

The key reason I think this is because of the way the Indian government has acted thoroughout.

Basically, the Indians spotted an opportunity in that China is currently pre-occupied with Korea, so really don't want a war with India.

The chief reason is that while China can easily handle India in a fight, it cannot do so without committing significant military forces, especially Air Force assets.

India rightly deduced that China is worried that Trump might try something in Korea if a significant part of China's best forces were tied down fighting India.

The one critical thing the Indians seemed overlooked in their haste to exploit this 'opening' is the end game - just how exactly did the Indians think this was going to end?

The Indian government, egged on by the Indian 'free' press have vastly overplayed their hand by refusing to pull their troops back to the point of nearly making that a point of national pride.

Surely even the most nationalistic Indian chest thumper would not be so delusional as to think China would meekly allow them to keep the territory they are trespassing on? So if the Indians have all but ruled out a voluntary withdraw, and China can never allow them to keep that land, just how exactly do the Indians plan to draw this stand-off to a close?

China's current calculous is that its best to try and avoid a fight if at all possible. However, Beijing is also acutely aware that they cannot allow this to stand.

Just as Korea is currently staying China's hand, ironically, considerations regarding Korea may eventually force China to not only hit India, but hit them hard.

Because if China starts to fear Trump is start doubting China's resolve to fight, then it doesn't matter if all of China's fighting strength is available to fight in Korea if Trump doesn't think China has the balls to use them.

In which case, India may just find itself as the proverbial chicken gruesomely killed to scared the Trump monkey.

Chinese words and opinions are hardening by the day regarding this incursion. One day, probably soon, Beijing will decide the Indians won't move unless they are moved and simply move them back, in body bags if needs be.

In the meantime, it could only take one tweet from Trump to drastically accelerate that timetable and fundamentally change the nature of the Chinese response from simple eviction to full blown shock and awe.

The only way this doesn't end in bloodshed is if the Indian government sees sense and backs down. But they seem hell bent on burning that bridge with their words and deeds.

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