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sanblvd said:
I'm thinking tranquilizer, tear gas, and big nets.
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vincent said:
The other side has real guns you know
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It would've been a show of force if the PLA can subdue the Indian troops with non-lethal means, while the Indians are armed to the teeth.

On the one hand, china shows that they don't mean to harm their Indian counterparts. Peace is still their goal. On the other hand, they would be telling the Indians that they are now playing with someone in a different league, i. e. We don't even need real weapons to take care of you. Yes, this is not 1962. But they will get an even worse whooping than 1962 if they push their luck.

Of course, this is all wishful think. It would be very hard and very dangerous to achieve this. It might put PLA soldiers in unnecessary danger.
 
vincent

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Who ever order Chinese troops to evict armed Indian troops with tear gas and tranquilizers should be shot. When was the last time you saw NYPD officers equiped like that when taking down a drug den?
 
SamuraiBlue

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Will Japan's Mitsubishi and Kawasaki Build India's Next Project 75(I) AIP Submarine?

Japan’s Mitsubish-Kawasaki consortium has received an RFI from the Indian Navy. Where does it lead?

The Indian Navy has issued a request-for-information to six overseas manufacturers for an eventual $8 billion contract to build six advanced submarines with air-independent propulsion (AIP) technology under the Project 75(I) initiative.

“The Indian Navy has issued an RFI asking competent companies that have independently designed and constructed a modern submarine, which is either currently in service or is undergoing sea trials,” Indian officials told the
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The final shortlist of six manufacturers to have received the RFI includes ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (Germany), Naval Group (France), Navantia (Spain), Saab (Sweden), Rubin Design Bureau-Amur Shipyard (Russia and Italy), Mitsubishi Heavy Industries and Kawasaki Heavy Industries (Japan).

The confirmation that Japan’s Mitsubishi-Kawasaki consortium has received an RFI from the Indian Navy is a significant development, if true. As the Diplomat discussed in early 2015,
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to this effect more than two years ago. The move came shortly after Japan lifted its decades-long self-imposed ban on weapons exports.

The Soryu-class submarines built by Mitsubishi and Kawasaki are among the most advanced AIP-equipped diesel-electric submarines. Moreover, inviting Japanese firms to participate in the RFI for the Project 75(I) tender could benefit the broader strategic relationship between India and Japan, which grows closer every year.... to read more
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Jeff Head

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IMHO, a derivitive of the Soryu-class is about as good as it would get for these types of subs for the Indians.

I still wish Australia had gone down that path.
 
Lethe

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article on the Doklam/Donglang stand-off is useful because it attempts to understand the perspective of both sides and offer solutions that allow both parties to save face:

Another “off ramp” to deescalate the crisis is a back-channel agreement with Bhutan appearing as the public arbiter, allowing both sides to save face [....] For example, India could claim Bhutan “thanked” India for its support and commitment to upholding the bilateral friendship treaty, but after deploying its own monitoring force, Bhutan requests that India withdraw its forces. This would allow India to withdraw without appearing to bend to Chinese demands, send a message that China’s salami tactics will be challenged, and buttress its credibility with states concerned with Chinese encroachment. For its part, China can claim India withdrew first and quietly halt road construction until a final settlement is reached between itself and Bhutan. This would give all sides, including Bhutan, a face-saving exit necessary to appease domestic audiences. At the same time, India and China will have exchanged clear signals on just how serious they are about the border — and how dangerous assumptions about the other side can be.
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SinoSoldier

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Lethe said:
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article on the Doklam/Donglang stand-off is useful because it attempts to understand the perspective of both sides and offer solutions that allow both parties to save face:
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I read that the other day. I must say that it is one of the (very) few Op-Eds out there that are quite balanced, concise, objective, and very thoroughly-pondered.
 
vincent

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And with Bhutan troops in the Donglang area? You think the Chinese populace will accept that?
 
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Lethe said:
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article on the Doklam/Donglang stand-off is useful because it attempts to understand the perspective of both sides and offer solutions that allow both parties to save face:
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That specific solution would be in China's interest, but it appears India at this stage has no interest in withdrawing all of its troops yet.

The withdrawal of Indian troops will have to occur first before any substantive talks can occur, and if India seeks to make the withdrawal contingent on something like China agreeing to cease road construction, that will likely be unacceptable to China.
 
SamuraiBlue

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Jeff Head said:
IMHO, a derivitive of the Soryu-class is about as good as it would get for these types of subs for the Indians.

I still wish Australia had gone down that path.
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This would certainly be an interesting project, a Soryu class SSK with vertical missile launch capabilities.
It may become the next SSK class JMSDF will commission after the Soryus.
 
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