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PiSigma

PiSigma

"the engineer"
PanAsian said:
Can "America first" and "Make in India" work together?

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By the time the first Indian f16 is produced, what year would that be?

From signing, to building factory, training of staff, sourcing of parts (from US? Or India?), that is going to take at least 4-5 years, possibility more.

If parts are sourced in India, probably evening longer period, since need to build up a supplier base. If parts are from US, then it meets both make in US and India criteria since it would only be assembled in India. But in that case, India doesn't actually get that much technical knowhow from this deal.

Either way, F16 is an awesome aircraft, and India is lucky to have it, and Lockmart gets lots of money.
 
Lethe

Lethe

Captain
ILikeChina said:
How is comparable F16V to J10C ?
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They should be fairly comparable in most respects, with J-10 exhibiting superior flight characteristics and F-16 having greater range/payload. All things considered I'd much rather be in China's position with J-10C already in service and in production with full design rights and domestic expertise for further development.
 
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PiSigma

PiSigma

"the engineer"
taxiya said:
I wonder if India will demand LM to guarantee the quality of F-16s produced in Indian factory like the proposed Rafale production in India.
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Why not? It is still a LM product. They might have some clause on can't guarantee parts by tata.
 
PiSigma

PiSigma

"the engineer"
Lethe said:
They should be fairly comparable in most respects, with J-10 exhibiting superior flight characteristics and F-16 having greater range/payload. All things considered I'd much rather be in China's position where J-10C is already in service and in production with full design rights and domestic expertise for further development than in India's.
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By the time F16 rolls out of the Indian facility, J10D will be ready, so yeah, I agree with you. And I re-read the article, it seems a lot of the parts will be made in USA, so India is just getting kits kinda like the su27 China used to get. Wonder how long it will take India to digest the tech and indigenize it, if ever.
 
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taxiya

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PiSigma said:
Why not? It is still a LM product. They might have some clause on can't guarantee parts by tata.
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That is the question I was asking. In the Rafale case, India demanded Dassault to guarantee the overall quality of Rafales made in the Indian plant regardless who made what parts meaning Dassault to be responsible for Indian partner's defects. A point that France refused (of course), but Indian insisted (maybe just to kill the deal intentionally).

Maybe this time LM will fare better, who knows. Anyway it is quite small matter, and I was not all serious. :D
 
Jura The idiot

Jura The idiot

General
some time ago
Jan 13, 2017
Jura said:
LOL! this is breathtaking:
No Torpedoes for India's Second Scorpene Submarine

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Last two Scorpene submarines from Mazgaon Docks to join Navy without AIP system
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It enables them to stay underwater for a longer span
Contrary to expectations, the last two Scorpene submarines will roll out of the manufacturing line without the Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) system meant to extend the reach of the conventional diesel-electric submarines.

“We have studied their solution (AIP system of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO)… They need more measures to make it a safe plug… For the fifth and sixth submarines it is too late,” managing director of DCNS Bernard G. Buisson said in a conversation with The Hindu.

The AIP module is not part of the original Scorpene contract but the Navy has been keen on having them fitted on the last two of the six Scorpene submarines being manufactured by Mazgaon Docks Limited (MDL) in Mumbai.

The AIP module is being developed by the DRDO and was supposed to be installed before the submarines roll out. However, a delay in development seems to scuttle the plan. The module enables conventional submarines to stay underwater for a longer duration greatly increasing the submarines stealth characteristics.

Installation during refit
Mr. Buisson said the only option now of installing the AIP system is during the refit of the submarine, which is six years after induction. It is followed by a major refit six years after that. However, it is still not clear if the Navy wants to go ahead with the plan as it would mean opening up the hulls of the submarines.

DRDO officials said the prototype of the AIP system was ready and the programme could be pushed forward once a production agency was identified to manufacture it.

As reported by The Hindu recently, with the Strategic Partnership model for procurement of key platforms finalised recently, the Navy is not keen on ordering any additional Scorpenes and instead fasttrack the tender for procurement of new line of submarines under Project-75I.

On the Project-75I, Mr. Buisson said the DCNS was ideally positioned as they have a diverse set of submarines on offer that could be quickly customised for Indian requirements. The second line of submarines, which would be built in India, would be more advanced than the Scorpenes with AIP and missiles with land attack capability.
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what game-changing submarines! revolutionary, a quantum leap (though backwards :)
 
FORBIN

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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India to receive final 'white-tail' C-17

The announcement on 26 June that India is to receive another Boeing C-17 Globemaster III strategic airlifter has brought to an end a two-year effort to sign up a customer for the last aircraft to roll off the now-closed production line at Long Beach, California.

The US Defense Security and Cooperation Agency (DSCA) said that the State Department has approved the sale to India of the final C-17 for USD336.2 million. The proposed deal, which still needs to be approved by Congress, covers equipment as well as sustainment and support in addition to the aircraft. The Indian Air Force (IAF) already fields 10 C-17s that are flown by 81 Squadron out of Hindon Air Force Station, near Delhi.

As with all the other operators of the C-17, the IAF's fleet is supported by Boeing via its Globemaster III Integrated Sustainment Program (GISP) performance-based logistics contract. This 'virtual fleet' enables international customers to tap into the US Air Force's (USAF's) vast support infrastructure.

It is likely that a large percentage of the value of this proposed Indian sale is related to the aircraft's through-life sustainment and support through the GISP programme. Even so, USD336 million is an inordinate amount to pay for one aircraft (Kuwait paid USD371 million for two aircraft plus equipment and support in 2014). In 2016, an official from the USAF Air War College in Alabama said that there was "a fight going on between the Qataris, the Indians, and the Australians to get the last C-17". From the cost of the deal, it would appear that Boeing may have sold its final aircraft to India at a premium.

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