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balasore

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A very good advice India should heed
India cannot and should not match China carrier for carrier, but it should emulate the Chinese strategy of shipbuilding to boost the economy.
India Needs More Aircraft Carriers But Not At The Cost Of Key Strike Elements
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- Apr 29, 2017, 10:00 am

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its the other way around. china followed india with the stobar. and after years of news from india about catobars, now theres talk coming out of china about catobars too. after decades and decades of talk from the indian brass about needing 3 carriers, china starts talking about - guess what - 3 carriers. and now armchair fanboys on talkshows r talking about 5-6 carriers trying to one-up india.

no need for these. better use on LPDs for taiwan. why waste money on prestige/vanity projects.
 

Jeff Head

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The "Advanced Super Hornet" doesn't exist, it's a proposal awaiting funding (and time, but that doesn't really matter in India's case) from Someone.

You could put together a fairly compelling case for Super Hornet for IAF and IN as part of a big package deal that involves Boeing buying into AMCA (plus a naval variant thereof) and using F414EPE across Tejas, Super Hornet, AMCA. But that involves the kind of big picture coordination, buy-in from all players, and consistent vision and robust funding driven from the very top that is almost impossible to imagine in the Indian context. Absent such an arrangement, Rafale or MiG-29K would be preferable for reasons of commonality alone.
NO...it does exist.

The Advanced Super Hornet is a design that can be retrofitted against any existing F/A-18F aircraft, and Boeing has already done it and flown it. It is called the F/A-18H and, as I said, it has been flying for some time.

The design not only exists, but it is flying.

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TerraN_EmpirE

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The Advanced Super Hornet is a design that can be retrofitted against any existing F/A-18F aircraft, and Boeing has already done it and flown it. It is called the F/a+_18H and, as I said, it has been flying for some time.
Well Boeing has been working on tech demonstrators for the package, they differ from time to time but overall Jeff is right but needed to correct the maker.
 

Jeff Head

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Well Boeing has been working on tech demonstrators for the package, they differ from time to time but overall Jeff is right but needed to correct the maker.
My bad...how embarassing. I certaily know better...but had been talking F-35 with someone else and just had Lockmart in my head.

I fixed the original.

Anyhow, Boeing knows it is going to gt some more orders, and I expect the US Navy will ultimately upgrade a certain number of Super Hornets to the Advanced Super Hornet too.
 

Lethe

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I have not followed the latest twists in the Super Hornet story in much detail. It is certainly a good sign that Boeing has progressed at least some of its proposals to the point where they are flying, but does not mean that they are ready to be ordered off-the-shelf as fully functional systems. I suspect that many if not most of the proposals for further evolution of Super Hornet await additional external development funds. If you can supply well-sourced information to the contrary, I would be happy to read it.
 

Hendrik_2000

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its the other way around. china followed india with the stobar. and after years of news from india about catobars, now theres talk coming out of china about catobars too. after decades and decades of talk from the indian brass about needing 3 carriers, china starts talking about - guess what - 3 carriers. and now armchair fanboys on talkshows r talking about 5-6 carriers trying to one-up india.

no need for these. better use on LPDs for taiwan. why waste money on prestige/vanity projects.

Well I guess the answer to your question is they simply have spare change now after spending on the bread and butter of Navy like destroyer, frigate, corvette, and submarine, Now it is time to tackle the Aircraft Carrier

They could built carrier years ago but it doesn't make sense
India should do likewise crawl before you can run
 

kwaigonegin

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I have not followed the latest twists in the Super Hornet story in much detail. It is certainly a good sign that Boeing has progressed at least some of its proposals to the point where they are flying, but does not mean that they are ready to be ordered off-the-shelf as fully functional systems. I suspect that many if not most of the proposals for further evolution of Super Hornet await additional external development funds. If you can supply well-sourced information to the contrary, I would be happy to read it.

Boeing can make the ASH next month if push comes to shove. All the KB, the tooling, supply chain etc is available as we speak. It's just a matter of will and effort.

If someone hands over a check for $10 Billion today and request an emergency production run, trust me Boeing can crack the whip and make it happen in no time the moment the paperwork, admin, politics etc is cleared.

With that all being however as an aside personally I do no see a bright future for that model as much as I like to unless some catastrophic development affects F35 procurement.. Not too different than the silent eagle.

Just not enough market for it. Current SH operators will likely opt for SLEP to their current inventory instead of buying ASH or maybe just buy more new superbugs.
The Block III development of the the ASH we see today is actually 'scaled' down. The original had more stealth features and other capabilities. That one would've been a true 4 ++++ Gen fighter and can hold itself against even Gen 5 assets with an experience driver.
 

balasore

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Well I guess the answer to your question is they simply have spare change now after spending on the bread and butter of Navy like destroyer, frigate, corvette, and submarine, Now it is time to tackle the Aircraft Carrier

They could built carrier years ago but it doesn't make sense
India should do likewise crawl before you can run

tackle aircraft carrier if there is a need for it. is there, other than vanity?
b4 running, understand which track to run on. whic is why u c india putting aesa equipped destroyers ou t first b4 constructing carriers.
sea denial is the word for china. focus on putting out subs without speakers on the outside. and have a proper area defence destroyer out first b4 cranking out show boats.
 

PiSigma

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tackle aircraft carrier if there is a need for it. is there, other than vanity?
b4 running, understand which track to run on. whic is why u c india putting aesa equipped destroyers ou t first b4 constructing carriers.
sea denial is the word for china. focus on putting out subs without speakers on the outside. and have a proper area defence destroyer out first b4 cranking out show boats.
Does balasore mean butt sore? None of the stuff you post make any sense. What is considered a show boat? All the new PLAN ships are very capable with 100% Chinese components, whereas Indian ships are less capable from an individual apples to apples comparison and have less and use all imported parts. And Chinese diesel sub's are some of the best, and all Chinese. When was the last time India made anything that was all Indian?

The Chinese don't care about the Indians, their only goal is to pass the Americans. They can't even find the Indians in their rear view mirror.
 

balasore

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Does balasore mean butt sore? None of the stuff you post make any sense. What is considered a show boat? All the new PLAN ships are very capable with 100% Chinese components, whereas Indian ships are less capable from an individual apples to apples comparison and have less and use all imported parts. And Chinese diesel sub's are some of the best, and all Chinese. When was the last time India made anything that was all Indian?

The Chinese don't care about the Indians, their only goal is to pass the Americans. They can't even find the Indians in their rear view mirror.

kid, its past your bedtime. gotta wake up in time for school tomorrow. go to bed.
 
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