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plawolf said:

Are the Indian Apaches restricted to operating within Indian territory like Pakistan's new F16s?

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I don't know if they are restricted in air space as such but they are likely to have seals and sensors, these type of equipment have warrantys and guarantees, if the seals are broken there is a penalty involved, sensors need source codes so no non-American equipment can be integrated into the platform


I think it was in 2005 when a Turkish Air Force F16D went down and pilots killed, full investigation was done no piece of debris was left, they found seals which when broken activates and deactivates certain aspects of the fighters, information was passed to the Pakistanis and as a result the F16 order was cut from 71 to 36 units, then after that it was cut to just 18 units

As well as source codes many other sensitive pieces of classified military equipment is installed so this is why we say "strings attached" because really its a head ache

Having said that the older PAF F16 are great, Pakistan was the second country after Israel to get F16, second also to use it in combat and down enemy aircraft, they can be modified and integrate them with other systems, newer systems are much more advanced, this is why the JF17 Thunder is brilliant for PAF, do we need to ask for source codes??, naaaa just add on a anti-ship missiles and bang a deadly platform can be used in multi role format

plawolf said:

Indeed, that is an important distinction, and one of the primary reasons why defence spending for China is very much a form of government stimulus and investment.

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As it is and was in all great powers. It really surprises me how so many countries still rely on others for armaments, even for relatively basic and/or dual-use technology such as cars, trucks, small arms, and 'dumb' heavier infantry weapons.

PanAsian said:

As it is and was in all great powers. It really surprises me how so many countries still rely on others for armaments, even for relatively basic and/or dual-use technology such as cars, trucks, small arms, and 'dumb' heavier infantry weapons.

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Economy of scale at play here.

If you aim for a tier-2 localized regional power serving a/several superpowers as their proxy in this region, you can actually afford such strategy and reap the benefit of saving money; if you're a small-timer and affiliated to a bloc lead by a superpower, imports is again cheaper and reliable (at least quality wise) than setting up all the higher-tier shops and facilities locally.

When you aim for the tier-1 superpower position, it'd then make sense to set up your own shops and "buy local", when the economic of scale makes it favorable - you got the domestic market to support it, and perhaps make a profit in exporting to satellite states and member-state of your bloc.

asif iqbal said:

If that was true a country 7 times smaller in economy, population, land and army would have been over run by now, but since 1947 to today the border between Pakistan and India has not changed, infact Pakistan controls more of Kashmir than it did in 1947, so they can't be that much of a regional powerhouse

Regarding INS Vikramaditya I will just believe it when it sails in the Indian Navy

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not sure what your post has got anything to do with mine. So are you implying because India has not wholly invaded and occupy Pakistan they should not be considered one of the top 5 militaries in Asia?

MwRYum said:

Economy of scale at play here.

If you aim for a tier-2 localized regional power serving a/several superpowers as their proxy in this region, you can actually afford such strategy and reap the benefit of saving money; if you're a small-timer and affiliated to a bloc lead by a superpower, imports is again cheaper and reliable (at least quality wise) than setting up all the higher-tier shops and facilities locally.

When you aim for the tier-1 superpower position, it'd then make sense to set up your own shops and "buy local", when the economic of scale makes it favorable - you got the domestic market to support it, and perhaps make a profit in exporting to satellite states and member-state of your bloc.

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What you said definitely applies for big ticket items, for small countries, and/or follower countries. For the specific smaller ticket and dual-use items I mentioned, especially for 'tier 2' powers the cost benefit is not as clear cut. It's not just about money but also having the industrial base which may be competent commercially, and political and military independence.

plawolf said:

Isn't the above itself a pretty sweeping generalisation?

When you are talking about anything other than specific individual cases, some degree of generalisation is unavoidable or else you will just get bogged down in endless superfluous details and never get to the actual point.

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No it is respect regardless of identity, i find it peculiar that you failed to see that point

PanAsian said:

What you said definitely applies for big ticket items, for small countries, and/or follower countries. For the specific smaller ticket and dual-use items I mentioned, especially for 'tier 2' powers the cost benefit is not as clear cut. It's not just about money but also having the industrial base which may be competent commercially, and political and military independence.

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Then it boils down to national policy planning, management skill and the grit to carry it through.

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May 26, 2013
Port Klang, Malaysia

Four vessels from the Indian Navy’s Eastern Fleet, on operational deployment to the South China Sea and the Western Pacific, made a port call here today. Flag Officer Commanding Eastern Fleet, Rear Admiral P. Ajit Kumar, who is officially in the country with the vessels for the second time, said he was looking forward to enhance ties with the Royal Malaysian Navy (RMN).


In recent past, the relationship of the Indian Navy with the RMN has grown significantly, especially in key areas like training, anti-piracy, information sharing and operational interaction and cooperation.

The Eastern Fleet's four vessels carrying about 800 crewmen and deployed on goodwill visit between mid-May and mid-June, comprise the indigenously-built Guided Missile Stealth Frigate Satpura, Guided Missile Destroyer Ranvijay, Guided Missile Corvette Kirch and the versatile Fleet Tanker Shankti.

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Not a bad task force, including their newest stealth frigate (and a large frigate it is) and their newest Fleet replenishment vessel, in addition to an older DDG and missile Corvette. Conducting joint operations, training, and making port calls in the South China Sea.

India seeks US Navy support and assistance in carrier quals for NLCA.

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It seems India needs the support of US Navy to complete crucial trials of the naval version of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA-N). Absence of pilots experienced in carrier-based operations has forced the Aeronautical Development Agency ( ADA), lead partner in the development of LCA-N, to request the US Navy to train its test pilots in catapult assisted take-off and barrier arrested recovery (Catobar).

None of the naval pilots, after the generation who flew Alizes on INS Vikrant, have any experience in Catobar. With this lacuna adding to its carrier woes, the Navy is training a batch of young pilots in US to prepare them to handle MiG29Ks. But the request to train test pilots further exposes chinks in India's defence preparedness. The help has been sought to complete their training before the year-end with a view to carrying out take-off and landing trials on the ski-jump installed at INA Hansa, Goa.

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Jeff Head said:

India seeks US Navy support and assistance in carrier quals for NLCA.

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However, it'll be a full decade - if without delay, that is - before IN got their hands on their first CATOBAR carrier, INS Vishal. Thus, with all these US "help" India's national policies won't stray far from US' tunes, which will make India predictable.