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Brumby
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A strategic program don't change on a dime. A change of this nature by wanting to accelerate delivery even if it is not the model required means there is a change in the variables within the strategic equation. What is the story? The MKI story is the effect not the cause.
A Bar Brother
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Yes, it can. And if the article is true, it did.
Accelerating the R&D of the FGFA is possible. That's because the Russian version will be ready before the Indian version. The Indian version will have to undergo MKIzation for 3 years. That can be cut short. But it is not entirely clear when the Russian version of PAKFA Stage-2 will be ready.
In case the advanced date is still not up to what IAF wants, they can always purchase a squadron or two of the Russian PAKFA while they wait for the FGFA.
A Bar Brother
Junior Member
Why? It is very well known that active cancellation is far superior to any kind of passive measures.
There is someone called Gambit on PDF. He served in the USAF for 20+ years, primarily related to avionics and stealth. Even he says nothing trumps active cancellation. He was the one who said you can put an active cancellation system on any aircraft you want.
I believe I had already mentioned that the people on SDF have no clue on what's happening elsewhere.
This is from an ex-IAF pilot
The Russians have no plans on screwing themselves over.
Well, that won't happen. That's because they won't buy dozens of squadrons of PAKFA, they will just buy one or two squadrons, perhaps three at most, before the FGFA is ready for production. Three is actually pushing it.
They will most likely work out a system to upgrade the early versions to FGFA level around a decade later. If that doesn't work out, they may do what they did with the MKI and just return the older aircraft to Russia.
The FGFA's development is crucial for the completion of the PAKFA project as a whole.
Brumby
Major
The question is why. You don't wake up one morning and decide to take a hiking trip across Europe or take any decision that significantly alter your personal life unless there is a compelling reason significant enough to change your trajectory.
Likewise, the Indian government doesn't one morning decide that the earlier plan needs adjustment absent some form of significant development that requires it to take that path. . Do you know what is it?
Russia recently disclosed that it expects to take delivery of 55 T-50's by 2020. That number and the date is highly questionable because its historical track record is exactly that. We are working off a base that the T-50 is ready for prime time LRIP - that itself is a big leap of faith considering nothing is known of the program that affirms this. Secondly even if Russia does manage to get some numbers off the ground, what makes you think it will play ball in allocating some from an expected limited pool to India? Thirdly, no one outside the US has proven capability to mass produce 5th gen planes. There is a big difference between producing some hand made prototypes as oppose to mass production. There will be start up and production issues which will likely affect numbers and timetable even if progress is made over time.
A Bar Brother
Junior Member
I'm pretty sure the decision wasn't taken overnight. We are in the dark, not the IAF.
A lot of people questioned the ability of the Russians to finish testing by 2015-16. And they did.
Nobody has mentioned any time frame for induction of PAKFAs in the IAF. IAF may very well get the first squadron of PAKFAs after 2020, a squadron of FGFAs after 2025. The Russians should take care of mass production issues by then.
oh Brother! really, then why do you bother to foist your flawed opinions on us?
thunderchief
Senior Member
Theoretically it would be far superior , but so far no one has actually demonstrated such technology except on rather old radars with predictable emitting pattern . Mathematically, you would need to get sample of emission f(t) , where t goes from T1 to T2 , and then to predict f(t) from T3 to T4 , where T4 - T3 has to be big enough to spoof enemy radar . And modern radars aren't built to make your job easier , with hooping frequencies, random patterns , ECCM etc ...