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Gloire_bb

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The Indians will not fight a war with overwhelming opponent, so you have to exclude the Chinese, it's so obvious having the Himalaya as barrier, who is stupid enough to fight a war on that terrain. What the Indians intent to do with its latest Western weapon acquisition is to scare off her neighbors and bully them as most of them are former British subject, having historically experience the humiliation of being defeated by a small number of troops equip with modern weapons of their time it leaves a lasting impression.
In relatively recent history (50 years) India was threatened by the US in a very similar fashion to the Taiwan crisis.
Without much success, admittedly(too late, powerful Soviet intervention), but those events are a big part of history and curriculum for India.

I doubt it's forgotten. I.e. no need to look for a plan where there is space for a mistake - sometimes naive/selfish decision making (remember Chinese private sector, betting and betting on their close friends from the valley) is just that.

Occam's razor .
 

defenceman

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It isn't elites(in Indian case, at least), quite the opposite.
It's engineers - it's simply easier to get required specs with f404/f414, it's going to be easier later to work with it (reliability, etc).
"no one was ever fired for buying IBM". f404/414 work, they're installed on thousands of aircraft around the world, etc etc.
Eurojet can run in circles about how advanced they are, but GE is probably the best technical deal in the world.

RD33 is a well known trouble to work with, though new mods are much better; it is just a way less advanced engine (early fighter turbofan, conservative design even for its time, and on top of that - one optimized not just for performance, but for rough field ops).
But it is available to India without questions, it is in Indian fighter fleet for decades, and you can buy full spec for it (WS-13) and develop it further, unlike the endless dream of kaveri. But yes, as an engineer you'll have to step on your selfish side.
Which is hard to do on a plane so full of western (sanctionable) components, why you should be risking your head when others don't?
Others managed to go for less toxic suppliers, though.

Airforce officials and below(pilots, former and current) are another big group.
For them it's straighforward prestige - same kind of prestige that is gained by driving expensive western car.
This played at least some part in Rafale choice, for example - Rafale is a prestigious "car" to drive; remember our Indian friend here, who was seriously proud of nation's premier fighers price (frigate pricetag per jet which isn't NGAD, yes) and source. Western engine is smaller, but it is still a similar logic.
Hi,
probably the engineers you talking about are the recent generation which been in
USA facilities or university graduate, that’s why they were more prone to GE type
as compare to their predecessors which might been in Russian uni and like to
have russian technology, though I’m in favour of Russian technology it might not get
along with GE, but then IAF already have vast numbers of SU flying with Russian technology
so probably from the very beginning let’s say 10/15 years back timeline if Indians have collaborated
with Russians they might have already a engine label with Made in India
like brahamos and other related stuff
thank you
 

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gelgoog

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They looked at the initial PAK FA prototypes and did not want them. But the thing is the actual Su-57 production version is way better than any Rafale. Not to mention cheaper. It is the best 5th generation aircraft on the market right now.

If they want the Su-57M they won't be getting it this year. Even the Russian Air Force does not have it yet.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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Lethe

Captain
Any truth to this hard-to-believe but not surprising news from Indian military prowess?


Can't they use their CH47s to airlift the AH64s out?

At that altitude the carrying capacities of all helicopters are reduced greatly.

Mi-26 should be able to do it. In 2002 USA hired an Mi-26 to retrieve a downed MH-47 Chinook from 12,500ft altitude in Afghanistan when neither CH-53E or CH-47 were able to do the job. A detailed account of that episode is given
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. AH-64E is a smaller, lighter helicopter than the aforementioned MH-47, and is stranded at a slightly lower altitude, so Mi-26 should have no difficulty.

The irony is that India actually has three elderly Mi-26s, but they have been
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for lack of an overhaul contract. Really, the jokes just write themselves at this point.
 
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gelgoog

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Russia's helicopters all had upgrades after the Afghan War to operate at high altitude. Any combat helicopter in use in that war or designed after the war is like that.

The US made upgrades for the Chinook to operate at high altitude (CH-47F) after they went into Afghanistan. I think the Blackhawk as well (UH-60M). But the Apache was never upgraded. It could only operate in the lowlands at Afghanistan.
 
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