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phrozenflame

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The development of the Arjun Tank took 40 years, but the Zorawar Tank was completed in just 2 years. This is because the lessons learned during the 40-year development of the Arjun Tank were applied to the Zorawar Tank, meaning India was not starting from scratch as it did with the Arjun. Similarly, while the development of the Tejas MK1 took 40 years, the Tejas MK2 is expected to take only 2-3 years.
The lesson: Import and assemble and let Media indigenize the development.
 

phrozenflame

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Unlikely, even in the even of a major shock they quickly revert to delusion, e.g. Galwan. The few introspective Indians that have a realistic view of the world are drowned out by the 99.9% Jai Hinds, both here, in India and in every country they migrate to.

Their entire belief system can be accurately described by the following phrase:

Step 1: Build and use toilets Become Supapowa
Remember, they gave highest millitary honors to the pilot who ignored orders and got shot down.
 

Deino

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The development of the Arjun Tank took 40 years, but the Zorawar Tank was completed in just 2 years. This is because the lessons learned during the 40-year development of the Arjun Tank were applied to the Zorawar Tank, meaning India was not starting from scratch as it did with the Arjun. Similarly, while the development of the Tejas MK1 took 40 years, the Tejas MK2 is expected to take only 2-3 years.


And still the Mk1A is not ready ...

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valysre

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It may be too late for "timely execution of the 48,000-crore contract for 83 jets". Given how long the program has been running now...
 
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_killuminati_

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Agree - the Americans dont treat Pakistan as an actual ally - more of a hired lacky for occassional projects it seems. Pakistan does seem happy to fulfill that role aswell though.
Pakistan has a serious corruption problem that is prevalent in all segments of society, from top to bottom, from the elite ruler class to the common man on the street. Consequently, many (at the top) are easily persuaded into fulfilling such roles where a short-term personal benefit (i.e. money looted from aid) comes at the expense of long-term welfare of the country. From personal experience, I've seen it increase multiple folds in the past 2-3 decades. There was a time when corruption had to be done discretely or else the society would castigate you in public: nowadays, if you are given an opportunity for corruption and don't follow, you will be laughed at and ridiculed in public. There is no end in sight. The country needs iron fist rulers for several decades to discipline the population... and get rid of that nonsense democracy they've been trying to establish for the past 77 years.

And still the Mk1A is not ready ...

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I am certain the LCA is just a cash-cow type of project to funnel public money into the defense sector, specifically into DRDO. Begin an overly ambitious and untenable project which was beyond the capability of the Indian defense sector, market it with nationalism and pride, get public funding, and when things (logically) turn out not so good, lure in more funding via sunk cost fallacy and playing the nationalism card.

The project, logically, should have been shelved by late 90s or early 2000s, or at the very least, severely downgraded in it's role in the 1980s.
 
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_killuminati_

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Similarly, while the development of the Tejas MK1 took 40 years, the Tejas MK2 is expected to take only 2-3 years.
If we are going to talk about lessons learned and time frames, then you forgot one important detail which also defies the already nonsensical logic you've produced:

The HAL Marut was developed in 10 years. By the time it was complete, it was already obsolete.

Then the question is: why Tejas took 40 years to develop if the earlier Marut only took 10 years? By your logic, the Tejas should've been developed in.. 1 year. Seems like the lessons were unlearned and amplified negatively.
 

gelgoog

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It is pretty simple. First time with the HAL Marut they had Kurt Tank as the lead designer (he designed the Fw 190 in WW2). Then they stopped developing new indigenous aircraft for decades. One thing you should always do is once you finish a project, you start the next one. So that skills aren't lost. Not wait several decades until everyone who collaborated on the first design is in a retirement home.
 

valysre

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Is there any information on the state of the domestic Indian jet engine manufacture?
I know we are not meant to be comparing, but using China as a benchmark for a developing jet engine manufacturer, how far along is India?
Has India even attempted a domestic jet engine yet?
 
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