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Overbom

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Ouch. They have not even properly entered the climate change era yet..

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More than 600 million Indians face “acute water shortages,” according to a report last summer by NITI Aayog, a prominent government think tank.
Seventy percent of the nation’s water supply is contaminated, causing an estimated 200,000 deaths a year. Some 21 cities could run out of groundwater as early as next year, including Bangalore and New Delhi, the report found.
Forty percent of the population, or more than 500 million people, will have “no access to drinking water” by 2030.
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Ouch. They have not even properly entered the climate change era yet..

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Water shortages, frequent electricity blackouts and energy shortages, untrained labor force, children maldeveloped from malnutrition, and political instability. That's why I expressed that I believe India and other South Asian country's future is grim. I would be surprised if India could even become a high income country in the future, but I don't think they'll ever become a manufacturing powerhouse of the world.
 
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Such unfortunate scenarios and realities for India and whatever "population dividend" the country is supposed to benefit from is IMHO hogwash if the current trend isn't reversed. As a matter of fact it'll become a burden of genocidal proportions!!

I mean how does an objective person supposed make of this mind numbing figures: "Seventy percent of the nation’s water supply is contaminated, causing an estimated 200,000 deaths a year." Some 21 cities could run out of groundwater as early as next year, including Bangalore and New Delhi, the report found.

Those are just staggering numbers and is deleterious for India realizing it's goal of becoming a so-calles "Superpower India" if those figures above were happening in China along with those same structural issues holy mother of unicorns the level of hysterics from the entire collective west would be defeaning. That unfortunate issues will be used to indict the CPC system and governance etc...but because India is the poster boy for "Democracy" it's litany of failures will be excused always and forever. The CPC can't make or even be afforded to make mistakes because any mistakes will be magnified and twisted into something more sinister but I digress.

I just hope that the climate, structural issues in India can and will be solved soon for the sake of the lives of the people of India and it's my hope and wish that India-China relations can be mended so that China can contribute into solving the issues that affect us all.
 

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Water shortages, frequent electricity blackouts and energy shortages, untrained labor force, children maldeveloped from malnutrition, and political instability. That's why I expressed that I believe India and other South Asian country's future is grim. I would be surprised if India could even become a high income country in the future, but I don't think they'll ever become a manufacturing powerhouse of the world.
But their need to reach the sun like Icarus would be their undoing. They ought to accept and work on the country's most pressing needs rather to pretend their better than most. I see Filipino traits not that dissimilar to Indians in some respect honestly.
 

ougoah

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Such unfortunate scenarios and realities for India and whatever "population dividend" the country is supposed to benefit from is IMHO hogwash if the current trend isn't reversed. As a matter of fact it'll become a burden of genocidal proportions!!

I mean how does an objective person supposed make of this mind numbing figures: "Seventy percent of the nation’s water supply is contaminated, causing an estimated 200,000 deaths a year." Some 21 cities could run out of groundwater as early as next year, including Bangalore and New Delhi, the report found.

Those are just staggering numbers and is deleterious for India realizing it's goal of becoming a so-calles "Superpower India" if those figures above were happening in China along with those same structural issues holy mother of unicorns the level of hysterics from the entire collective west would be defeaning. That unfortunate issues will be used to indict the CPC system and governance etc...but because India is the poster boy for "Democracy" it's litany of failures will be excused always and forever. The CPC can't make or even be afforded to make mistakes because any mistakes will be magnified and twisted into something more sinister but I digress.

I just hope that the climate, structural issues in India can and will be solved soon for the sake of the lives of the people of India and it's my hope and wish that India-China relations can be mended so that China can contribute into solving the issues that affect us all.

The majority of Indians are hypernationalist Jai Hinds. They hate China and Chinese people with all their being. The more Chinese people become aware of this, the better.

I say the majority because of course there are Indians who aren't like that and even Indians who are the exact opposite of all that. But within the majority of the bhakts, at best they have a neutrality towards China but their way of "thinking" really allows for a repulsive disgusting hate to form and brew. They are therefore not much better than a Jai Hind of the radicalised variety.
 

Overbom

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I mean how does an objective person supposed make of this mind numbing figures: "Seventy percent of the nation’s water supply is contaminated, causing an estimated 200,000 deaths a year." Some 21 cities could run out of groundwater as early as next year, including Bangalore and New Delhi, the report found.

Those are just staggering numbers and is deleterious for India realizing it's goal of becoming a so-calles "Superpower India" if those figures above were happening in China along with those same structural issues holy mother of unicorns the level of hysterics from the entire collective west would be defeaning. That unfortunate issues will be used to indict the CPC system and governance etc...but because India is the poster boy for "Democracy" it's litany of failures will be excused always and forever. The CPC can't make or even be afforded to make mistakes because any mistakes will be magnified and twisted into something more sinister but I digress.
Let's not have the holier than attitude here. All these pollution issues are natural when a big country is aiming to quickly develop. India is just some 20 years behind China so it still hasn't started heavily focusing on environmental protection

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Yet while the [Shanghai]city’s veil of smog has lifted slightly in recent years, its water pollution crisis continues unabated – 85% of the water in the city’s major rivers was undrinkable in 2015, according to official standards, and 56.4% was unfit for any purpose.
These findings come from our new water quality report, which found water pollution levels in China’s other major cities are also extremely high. In Beijing, 39.9% of water was so polluted that it was essentially functionless. In Tianjin, northern China’s principal port city and home to 15 million people, a mere 4.9% of water is usable as a drinking water source.
 

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Yeah lol 70% of a nation's water supply being undrinkable is frankly a surprisingly low number. Depends how the measure defines "drinkable" but most nations' water supplies - natural water bodies are undrinkable. Missed that part. Well over 50% of Australia's water supply is undrinkable lol.

Water treatment and contamination is a very complex topic. Broad statements mean absolute shit and can be manipulated to paint any picture. Country A has 70% water supply undrinkable vs Country B with 50% undrinkable, Country A can actually have a better position re drinking water than Country B. Depends on a 100s of other factors not discussed... source of contamination, BOD, salinity etc.
 

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Such unfortunate scenarios and realities for India and whatever "population dividend" the country is supposed to benefit from is IMHO hogwash if the current trend isn't reversed. As a matter of fact it'll become a burden of genocidal proportions!!
I fear of what's to come, when the living situation in India deteriorates becoming unlivable, how much of them will try to migrate into greener pastures just to survive. They'll become climate refugees, causing a humanitarian crisis. You see how a million of middle eastern refugees caused an uproar in nationalist sentiments and extremism in Europe, contributing to their worsening political stability both domestically and in their organization.

What kind of risks would the Indian leadership would gamble just to try redirect the attention from their domestic turmoil or what aggressive actions will they do against other countries to secure the resources for their stability.

There's another reason why they really want Tibet, it has huge amount of fresh water, which gave it the nickname as the "Water Tower of Asia", imagine the how hostile they'll become, when their supply of fresh water dwindles.
I just hope that the climate, structural issues in India can and will be solved soon for the sake of the lives of the people of India and it's my hope and wish that India-China relations can be mended so that China can contribute into solving the issues that affect us all.
This I think why China should at least look out for India's stability, same goes with every other land neighboring countries as well. It will not be in both party's interest to have a potential hotbed for terrorism and geopolitical tensions.
 

ougoah

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I fear of what's to come, when the living situation in India deteriorates becoming unlivable, how much of them will try to migrate into greener pastures just to survive. They'll become climate refugees, causing a humanitarian crisis. You see how a million of middle eastern refugees caused an uproar in nationalist sentiments and extremism in Europe, contributing to their worsening political stability both domestically and in their organization.

What kind of risks would the Indian leadership would gamble just to try redirect the attention from their domestic turmoil or what aggressive actions will they do against other countries to secure the resources for their stability.

There's another reason why they really want Tibet, it has huge amount of fresh water, which gave it the nickname as the "Water Tower of Asia", imagine the how hostile they'll become, when their supply of fresh water dwindles.

This I think why China should at least look out for India's stability, same goes with every other land neighboring countries as well. It will not be in both party's interest to have a potential hotbed for terrorism and geopolitical tensions.

Tibet isn't only important for its ample supply of freshwater (not piped and not drinkable in its natural form without treatment). Tibet is topographically far too separate from India.

Indian migration in the case you presented, wouldn't be to Tibet, it's far too treacherous and cannot be accessed via India. Indian migration also won't prefer or be wanted by east Asian nations. The Indians themselves identify far more closely with Europeans and the "new worlds". They'd only be migrating to accessible regional neighbours and to the West.
 

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