Indian Economics Thread II

[Ash46]

It's the other way around - posters here are simply pointing out the brutal reality of the situation - that India is roughly 50 years behind China in every aspect of development, and falling further behind everyday. Then Jai Hinds like you come in and dilute the quality of discussion by crying racism because you're offended by the sensible conclusions reached. In many ways, your behaviour is characteristic of Indian leadership. Instead of admitting inferiority, making pragmatic and resourceful decisions towards correcting that inferiority, and putting in the hard work to realize those plans, you come up with petty excuses (muh racism, muh British colonialism) and expect to transform into Superpower 2020/5 trillion dollar economy 2025 overnight because The Economist said so. As long as this is the mentality you adopt, there will be no hope and no future for your country and your people.

And where exactly did I ever post that india will be superpower or something? Lol I don't believe that.
And I am well aware of the scale of problems and the inaction towards them that persist but lol the way you brush me with muh colonialism muh racism

That's stereotype for you. Neither I look that dark nor I have much gold. Hell I would come across as chinese if you would have met me in real life. Let's paint every indian with dark paint and a shit tone of gold

 

[56860]

Hehe, sensible conclusions. Please point the sensible conclusions reached I'll wait.
And please also point out the threads of mine which diluted the expert analysis going in here.
Regarding my inferiority, my household income after tax was upward of half a million usd last year. I'm dying of inferiority complex. Oh how little could I do with my life considering that I am not even 30 yet.The sense of loss, the grief. I hope I could get your pragmatism and senses kind sire.

My assertion that India is roughly 50 years behind China in every aspect of development and falling further behind everyday is, given the prevailing evidence, a sensible conclusion to reach.

You crying about racism every time someone brings up India's inferiority relative to China dilutes the quality of discussion. Pointing out reality is not racism.

You bringing up your salary - which is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand (Indian economics) - also dilutes the quality of discussion.

 

[56860]

You are right. While it is no defense, I think I can speak for many on this forum that for years, Chinese have to deal with incessant browbeating and mockery from on the internet and largely but our tongue. SDF acts as a safe space for us to loose built up steam, especially from the seemingly one sided antagonism from India until recently. We are stuck in a a spiraling world with increasingly aggressive Sinophobia often parroted by Indians than other peoples.

Mockery against China is not warranted, because China delivers. For the past 50 years, China has improved and industrialized faster than every other civilization in history. Mockery against that type of performance comes from a place of crippling insecurity.

Mockery against India, on the other hand, is quite frankly not done enough.

 

[Ash46]

You are right. While it is no defense, I think I can speak for many on this forum that for years, Chinese have to deal with incessant browbeating and mockery from on the internet and largely but our tongue. SDF acts as a safe space for us to loose built up steam, especially from the seemingly one sided antagonism from India until recently. We are stuck in a a spiraling world with increasingly aggressive Sinophobia often parroted by Indians than other peoples.

I agree with you. Even I hate indians who go on demeaning chinese and sadly that's the majority maybe as of now. Especially in the YouTube comments and other social media sites and if I were Chinese even I might develop some racism towards Indians based on that. Idk what to say about that, maybe in about a decade the truth will catch up to them that without china they won't be able to develop, so maybe the animosity may decrease then.

 

[Ash46]

My assertion that India is roughly 50 years behind China in every aspect of development and falling further behind everyday is, given the prevailing evidence, a sensible conclusion to reach.

Anybody with a basic sense of economics, history and how things current are in both the countries can reach that conclusion. And conclude that gap is only increasing. Suffering from dunning Kruger perhaps

You crying about racism every time someone brings up India's inferiority relative to China dilutes the quality of discussion. Pointing out reality is not racism.

Indian managers failed western business. Tell me if there isn't a western company that didn't fail under chinese, American, British leadership.Asserting how a certain ethnic group is ruining businesses when enough businesses have failed under every ethnic leadership is definitely racism for me

You bringing up your salary - which is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand (Indian economics) - also dilutes the quality of discussion.

" In many ways, your behaviour is characteristic of Indian leadership. Instead of admitting inferiority, making pragmatic and resourceful decisions towards correcting that inferiority, and putting in the hard work to realize those plans, you come up with petty excuses"
This Is what you wrote about me. I merely was pointing out perhaps that's now how I am. Perhaps it would not have been needed had you not gone on ranting with prejudice

 

[PiSigma]

Hehe, sensible conclusions. Please point the sensible conclusions reached I'll wait.
And please also point out the threads of mine which diluted the expert analysis going in here.
Regarding my inferiority, my household income after tax was upward of half a million usd last year. I'm dying of inferiority complex. Oh how little could I do with my life considering that I am not even 30 yet.The sense of loss, the grief. I hope I could get your pragmatism and senses kind sire.

You can claim anything you want on the internet. But you can't change the fact the GDP/cap for India is subsaharan Africa level.

 

[Ash46]

You can claim anything you want on the internet. But you can't change the fact the GDP/cap for India is subsaharan Africa level.

And who is disputing that india rn is one of the poorest countries on the planet and it has a long way to go?

 

[Staedler]

Indian managers failed western business. Tell me if there isn't a western company that didn't fail under chinese, American, British leadership.Asserting how a certain ethnic group is ruining businesses when enough businesses have failed under every ethnic leadership is definitely racism for me

Indian managers fail just like managers of any other race. The key difference is that they have a very strong tendency to only hire other Indians. This has the double whammy of the immigrant pool already being severely limited and the pool itself being small due to the lower quality of education/wealth in the home country. Inevitably it leads to lower quality employees and thus more poorly run western businesses.

I've worked with some real talents from India as well as some real stinkers; same as the other races. But other than the Hispanics, Indians are the only other group that seem to hire exclusively amongst their own. So it holds that as more Indians are hired in the company, the more the ratio skews towards the stinkers. A form of regression to the mean. If Indian could stop these incestuous hiring practices I wouldn't have as much issue with them as managers of western businesses, but they have yet to fix or even recognize the issue.

 

[Ash46]

Indian managers fail just like managers of any other race. The key difference is that they have a very strong tendency to only hire other Indians. This has the double whammy of the immigrant pool already being severely limited and the pool itself being small due to the lower quality of education/wealth in the home country. Inevitably it leads to lower quality employees and thus more poorly run western businesses.

I've worked with some real talents from India as well as some real stinkers; same as the other races. But other than the Hispanics, Indians are the only other group that seem to hire exclusively amongst their own. So it holds that as more Indians are hired in the company, the more the ratio skews towards the stinkers. A form of regression to the mean. If Indian could stop these incestuous hiring practices I wouldn't have as much issue with them as managers of western businesses, but they have yet to fix or even recognize the issue.

I agree with it fully. But I don't really know how would you fix that. I myself have experienced that when a Telugu manager came in one of our team and by the end of year half of the team became Telugu.

It's even more brazen in Indian owned businesses overseas which kind of become a way for owners to bring their family members. There are stories of some businesses being acquired by Indians and then by next month all the staff being replaced by Indians.

I can understand the animosity that might get built up due to that in the native poeple
But seriously how would you even begin to solve that problem?

 

[Abominable]

Indian managers fail just like managers of any other race. The key difference is that they have a very strong tendency to only hire other Indians. This has the double whammy of the immigrant pool already being severely limited and the pool itself being small due to the lower quality of education/wealth in the home country. Inevitably it leads to lower quality employees and thus more poorly run western businesses.

I've worked with some real talents from India as well as some real stinkers; same as the other races. But other than the Hispanics, Indians are the only other group that seem to hire exclusively amongst their own. So it holds that as more Indians are hired in the company, the more the ratio skews towards the stinkers. A form of regression to the mean. If Indian could stop these incestuous hiring practices I wouldn't have as much issue with them as managers of western businesses, but they have yet to fix or even recognize the issue.

Hispanics and other migrants to the west that may hire nepotically but do so for understandable reasons. Either it's because of the language barrier or because no one else is prepared to work for low prices.

With Indians there is another dynamic; the caste system. Western companies know if they employ hire a high caste Indian, he will go to India and recruit Indians from other castes to fill lower positions. You have a pre-existing hierarchy which integrates very well with the exploitative forms of capitalism.

They get brought in on worker visas by middle managers and are expected to never complain, because their culture doesn't allow them to. To outsiders they all just look like Indians so the discrimination is invisible and underreported. If anything companies get to tick plenty of boxes for diversity.

And if anyone starts suspecting something, the upper caste Indians will cry racism. In the UK there was an attempt to treat caste discrimination just like race or religious discrimination launched by low caste Indians. It was shut down by upper caste Indians complaining that it was racist.