Indian Economics Thread II

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donjasjit

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Not only you do not know enough about China, seems like you don't know enough about India.

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By standards of western democracies, India does not have free press.
Compared to the West, India has a long way to go.

But we are not comparing it to the West, are we? Compared to a totalitarian regime, India is El Dorado.
 

manqiangrexue

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Hey, I think you forgot to respond to this:
Instead of trying to research something which is quite obviously out of your depths, I will make things a lot easier for you-
Indian population pyramid 2050
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China population pyramid 2023
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China population pyramid 2050
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See how similar Indian population pyramid in 2050 is to Chinese population pyramid in 2023.
From my last post:
"Yeah India's obviously not in a race against getting old because it has third world economics rooted in agriculture and low life expectancy. That's like congratulating a homeless person for not having rich people problems."
By the way, India’s GDP right now is slightly higher than what China’s GDP was in 2007.
Aside from the futility of 20+year predictions,
1. GDP growth depends on catching the correct industrial trends. China's always there, making cheap stuff for the world when it was the right time to do so, going into high tech when it's the time to do so. India's never there.
2. Having the same number in 2023 as 2007 is not equal economic power! Making $35K in as a salary in 2007 is not nearly the same as making $35K in 2023.
You may be living in a firewall separated country but India is a free country.
From my last post:
"Wasn't it India's government that beat the crap out of farmers trying to negotiate a better living? You democracies are so funny. You tell everyone you're free, and then instance trouble starts, suddenly people get arrested for wearing Z shirts or painting parodies of Zelensky or suggesting that Russia isn't going to lose the war or that there's a genocide in Gaza. You don't even know what freedom is; you just know how to say the word."
The fudging of numbers you wrote about might be common in a totalitarian society but not in a country where the press, both domestic and foreign pounce on the slightest whiff of such things.
Free press is the most inaccurate press. Free press doesn't have the clearance from the government to find out the truth so they find what they can and make up a story from it. India's free press printed out 50 different versions of what happened in Galwan, without any regard to what the government or each other are saying. Then, China's state media releases the videos and the truth comes out. Western free press printed out that China kidnapped a British Consular agent and enacted a draconian crackdown in Hong Kong against peaceful protests. Then, Chinese state media releases a video of the consular agent being arrested, with interview, by police at a brothel and the police defending themselves with shields as rioters threw bricks and molotovs at them.

Your free press is just free lies, and is as worthless as your false freedom and the sheeple who believe in it. I trust only Chinese state media because again and again, it brings out the truth with evidence.
Is that simple enough for you to understand?
No, it's not correct enough for anyone to understand. Simple things appeal to simple people but the truth is not there; it is too complicated for you to understand.
But we are not comparing it to the West, are we?
Compared to the developed West, third world India at least has better growth (only when comparing direct numbers without any regards to the trend that mature economies grow slower). But compared to China, it has nothing. Well... nothing good anyway.
Compared to a totalitarian regime, India is El Dorado.
You spelled El Caca wrong.
 
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MortyandRick

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Compared to the West, India has a long way to go.

But we are not comparing it to the West, are we? Compared to a totalitarian regime, India is El Dorado.
El Dorado which has a caste system and is deliberately racist against their ethnic minority population and can be arrested if you don't stand for the national anthem in when watching a movie?

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Or killed for a relationship between Hindu and Muslims

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What kind of a hell hole is this El Dorado? Lol there is not free press in India, it's an echo chamber. The sooner you realize the more knowledgeable you will be
 

Biscuits

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Compared to the West, India has a long way to go.

But we are not comparing it to the West, are we? Compared to a totalitarian regime, India is El Dorado.
What kind of totalitarians do you want to compare with then? There's only a couple such states in the world, they're all tiny, powerless banana states, ruled by some insane monarch or forever president.

Not a very flattering comparison to India. If India is to play at being a major power, it should at the bare minimum have a system as open and accountable as some of the more corrupt western countries, like France. Does India reach that level?
 

vincent

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YES, I who live in a free country must be living in a fish-bowl like environment? The people living in a country which has a firewall to cut it off from the world would know better than most.

Even then, it is not the fault of the Chinese people. They are industrious and ingenious. They have achieved incredible things in the past few decades.

It is not their fault that they are cut off from the world.
FYI, majority of the users here live outside of China.
 

Bellum_Romanum

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El Dorado which has a caste system and is deliberately racist against their ethnic minority population and can be arrested if you don't stand for the national anthem in when watching a movie?

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What kind of a hell hole is this El Dorado? Lol there is not free press in India, it's an echo chamber. The sooner you realize the more knowledgeable you will be
Jayant Bhandari perfectly describes people of Indian descent that share the same perceptions and ridiculous assessments like @donjasjit have of himself and of India's assured ascendancy to supapowah status. Demographics, Democracy, are not Superpower destiny.

 

AndrewS

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You may be living in a firewall separated country but India is a free country. The fudging of numbers you wrote about might be common in a totalitarian society but not in a country where the press, both domestic and foreign pounce on the slightest whiff of such things.

Is that simple enough for you to understand?

That is not what the data on foreign affairs says, which presumably is true in the economic realm as well.

"Politicians lie more often about foreign affairs to their own people than to other states; and, indeed, lying is more likely in democracies than in other kinds of polity"

Leaders in Democracies lie more - because their publics instinctively trust what the government says and the government needs strong public support.

In comparison, Autocracies don't need to bother with public opinion and with feeding lies to the public.

Source
Mearsheimer - Why Leaders Lie: The Truth About Lying in International Politics
theguardian.com/books/2011/oct/14/steven-poole-et-cetera-reviews

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I'm reminded of the catalogue of lies that Donald Trump used to spew, which was eagerly lapped up and believed in.
The disappointing thing is that Trump will likely be back as the next US President.

And more recently, the Biden administration's public denials/lies/fudging on inflation and the recession.
Guess whether the truth or the lies became the mainstream media narrative.
 

donjasjit

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FYI, majority of the users here live outside of China.
Nobody who has family members in a totalitarian state can ever be free no matter where they go. The fear of saying the wrong word or doing something which puts their loved ones in danger is always there.

They have to act like Eileen Gu, not one single word out of place and every word carefully thought out before being spoken or said.
 

Biscuits

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Nobody who has family members in a totalitarian state can ever be free no matter where they go. The fear of saying the wrong word or doing something which puts their loved ones in danger is always there.

They have to act like Eileen Gu, not one single word out of place and every word carefully thought out before being spoken or said.
What the fuck are you deluding about? Are these totalitarian states with us in the room right now?

Afaik Eileen is the exact example that this doesn't apply. She trashtalked US no? Despite having most of her family being there. Even a country like US that exerts so heavy control that they criminalize the act of boycotting certain stuff (i.e. You are forbidden from NOT overtly supporting the state), are not totalitarian in that they are not realistically going to waste their resources trying to control everyone. It is authoritarianism/strong government ideology, not totalitarism.

They only focus on people whose words have a bigger impact, and Eileen's doesn't, so afaik at least, nobody forced her to retract her statements (which were only mildly critical of the US to begin with anyways).
 
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