Indian Economics Thread II

[Bellum_Romanum]

People like me are needed so that this forum does not become entirely a refuge for people with similar views. A person like me thinks differently, I will praise China and it's government when it does right and criticize it when it does wrong.

As for Chinese people, unlike you, I like them a lot. In the past few decades they have achieved amazing things. Companies like Huawei are a symbol of courage and persistence.

I believe a strong China is needed for a multi-polar world.

Again with the ARROGANCE and he has come here to bless and grace us with his wit, intelligence, and charm that only an Indian can provide. Holy Modi indeed!!

 

[proelite]

The New York Times...
...The West...

Do yourself a favor and stop taking everything you read in Western news as facts. If India becomes developed and strong, it's 99% likely to be unrelated to whatever reasons that NYT or Western editorials listed.

Think of the times when the news misreported on science, law, technology etc. You would trust their reporting on an infinitely more complex and non-transparent subject matter as the politics and functionings of a government of 1.4 billion people?

 

[azn_cyniq]

People like me are needed so that this forum does not become entirely a refuge for people with similar views. A person like me thinks differently, I will praise China and it's government when it does right and criticize it when it does wrong.

As for Chinese people, unlike you, I like them a lot. In the past few decades they have achieved amazing things. Companies like Huawei are a symbol of courage and persistence.

I believe a strong China is needed for a multi-polar world.

How can you like or dislike Chinese people when you don't know them at all? Literally everything that I've seen you say about Chinese people is untrue. You literally just said that Chinese people live in a "fish bowl like enclosed environment" but that couldn't be further from the truth. China has one of the most sophisticated social media ecosystems in the world (Douyin, Xiaohongshu, Bilibili, etc.) Chinese people also use Western social media platforms all the time, but they usually prefer Chinese social media platforms because that's where the vast majority of Chinese content is located. They absolutely know what's going on in the rest of the world and they discuss it all the time.

 

[proelite]

How can you like or dislike Chinese people when you don't know them at all? Literally everything that I've seen you say about Chinese people is untrue. You literally just said that Chinese people live in a "fish bowl like enclosed environment" but that couldn't be further from the truth. China has one of the most sophisticated social media ecosystems in the world (Douyin, Xiaohongshu, Bilibili, etc.) Chinese people also use Western social media platforms all the time, but they usually prefer Chinese social media platforms because that's where the vast majority of Chinese content is located. They absolutely know what's going on in the rest of the world and they discuss it all the time.

He should go to an India-based defense website, and educate them on the shortcomings of an aggressive Indian foreign policy and the slide into authoritarianism while being openly pro-Chinese. And say that fans of Modi live in a "fish bowl like enclosed environment".

 

[Jason_]

Of course, Chinese people have the bad luck of living in a fish bowl like enclosed environment because of the communist regime, so they have no idea what the world thinks about them.

Whereas Indians are acutely aware that they are the laughing stock of the world, thus giving birth to the reactionary and escapist fantasies of Jai Hindism.

 

[coolgod]

We are all misunderstanding donjasjit. You have to be next level Indian brains to understand his logic. Take this news for example.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1741080276573290746

Indian FM using Indian PM in a photo op to promote his own book.
Let's not even get started into the contents of his book.

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Delving into India's engagement with China after Independence, Mr. Jaishankar appeared to criticise Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru's policy, saying if the approach had been "more Bharat, we would have had a less rosy view of our relationship with China".

He also cited China getting into the UN Security Council and Pandit Nehru's approach to the matter. "I mean there is a letter which Nehru has written to chief ministers saying first let China take its place in the Security Council." The External Affairs Minister also recalled how Pandit Nehru was hesitant in taking assistance from the U.S. following the 1962 war with China as he was unsure how it would be seen.

Referring to economic reforms, Mr. Jaishankar said, "We were not sufficiently sweeping in our reforms in the first two decades of reform." "We kind of fell for the mantra of globalisation, where we actually didn't benefit as much relatively as those who dominated production and those who dominated finance did," he said.

 

[ansy1968]

I have a decent understanding of the the South China Sea disputes. The present Chinese administration has made the situation much worse with it's Wolf Warrior policy.

They seem to have forgotten the words of Chinese's wisest modern leader Den Xiaoping 'Hide your strength, bide your time'

No you don't. I lived in this region, I'm not trying to win a debate or any mental gymnastics move so please educate me if I missed something.

 

[manqiangrexue]

First of all, I'd like to congratulate you for getting the Indian economics thread lit up; because all of India couldn't do a damn thing to get this thread noticed but you did.

Regarding China’s wolf warrior policy- Why not ask Phillipines about it, a few years back it had the most pro-China govt in history and look how China dealt with it leading to the present warlike situation.

The Phillipines had Aquino, the most anti-China, pro-US leader. Then it had Duarte, the opposite, who called Obama a son of a whore. Now it has another opposite, Marcos. See the pattern with democracies? Always back and forth. Democrat, then Republican, then Democrat again. It's like this because nations doing a shit job see people who always want change.

Or let’s ask Australia who were sanctioned because they had the temerity to ask for an independent probe into the origins of Covid.

They have no right to go anywhere near our labs. No one has that authority in China except the Chinese. They want an independent probe; we want our independent sanctions. We don't want to buy their crap anymore. You're not telling us where to spend our money, are you?

Or Vietnam or Malaysia or Indonesia or Japan all of whom have territorial disputes.

China has shitty neighbors goaded on by the US to think midgets can rob a giant. We're helping educate them that that's not the case.

Of course, Chinese people have the bad luck of living in a fish bowl like enclosed environment because of the communist regime, so they have no idea what the world thinks about them.

LOLOL Who has good luck? India and its democracy? LOLOL I'm not even going to go into the difference in power between China and India. Chinese people are the luckiest in the world to be ruled by the only government on earth that is truly feared by the US for its competence. I grew up in the US and I know what the world thinks about China. Generally speaking, all the right countries are fearing us and all the right countries support us. This is exactly what it looks like when China is on the cusp of flipping the world order.

YES, I who live in a free country must be living in a fish-bowl like environment?

Ahahaha oh you think you do? Wasn't it India's government the beat the crap out of farmers trying to negotiate a better living? You democracies are so funny. You tell everyone you're free, and then instance trouble starts, suddenly people get arrested for wearing Z shirts or painting parodies of Zelensky or suggesting that Russia isn't going to lose the war or that there's a genocide in Gaza. You don't even know what freedom is; you just know how to say the word.

The people living in a country which has a firewall to cut it off from the world would know better than most.

You remind me of a video clip where an idiot woman asked an American professor who had spent time teaching in China how to get the Chinese people to see the world outside. She said if only the Chinese people knew the whole picture, she's "sure" that they'd be on our (the West's) side. And the professor responded that throughout all his years teaching at Tsinghua, Peking University, etc... he'd never met a single person who didn't know what was going on outside and inside China. The biggest misconception of the West is that Chinese people are being held hostage and don't know, when actually they know exactly what they're doing and what they're working towards, which is the greatness of their nation. She sat down like she was mentally raped.

Even then, it is not the fault of the Chinese people. They are industrious and ingenious. They have achieved incredible things in the past few decades.

It is not their fault that they are cut off from the world.

It's actually your fault for not knowing Chinese people and getting your knowledge on us from the West.

I have a decent understanding of the the South China Sea disputes.

That's what everyone would say if they graded themselves.

The present Chinese administration has made the situation much worse with it's Wolf Warrior policy.

Much worse for those hoping China would sit down and give up our interests. Why don't the other players make it much better by shutting up and getting off our territory?

They seem to have forgotten the words of Chinese's wisest modern leader Den Xiaoping 'Hide your strength, bide your time'

Those words don't last forever. Certain instructions are for certain times. Intelligent decision is necessary especially when following a dead man's commands.

Since you don't know, let me help. Read the article below-

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It's never going to help anyone to try to learn about China by reading articles written by the West. Seems you lack the prerequisites for the course you're trying to take.

The New York Times article clearly shows the difficulties a developing nation like India will face to rapidly advance it's economy. However, India has 2 advantages-
1 It has time. Decades and decades of time. Unlike East Asia, India has a stable demographic future.

Demographics is not destiny, in my opinion, but it does give you time to frame the right strategy to grow. India is not in a race to develop before it gets old.

LOLOL Yeah India's obviously not in a race against getting old because it has third world economics rooted in agriculture and low life expectancy. That's like congratulating a homeless person for not having rich people problems.

2 It has the support of the West. The West may not be as powerful as it was in the past but it will still be a powerful economic force and they desperately want India to challenge China.

India's a funny one. It wants to be a superpower but wants others to hold its hand and help it become one. How cute. The West will cut you down once they realize that they can't stop China but they can easily stop India from getting ahead of them too.

Whether that strategy works or not, only the future will tell.

Yeah, that's what they said yesterday, and the day before that about India. This is the future. Nope. More future than that... no, further than that... a little more...

People like me are needed so that this forum does not become entirely a refuge for people with similar views. A person like me thinks differently, I will praise China and it's government when it does right and criticize it when it does wrong.

That's an interesting and self-flattering definition for something most people just call an ignorant person...

 

[ansy1968]

First of all, I'd like to congratulate you for getting the Indian economics thread lit up; because all of India couldn't do a damn thing to get this thread noticed but you did.

Correct, I missed my morning tea....lol Bharat Rakshak had stalled lately, the Jai hindi crowd there had admit defeat , I haven't seen any Chinese style mental gymnastic routine from them.

 

[antiterror13]

Most Chinese people don't like Indian people, have never liked Indian people, and will probably never like Indian people. Indian people don't like us either and that's fine. Why can't we just agree to stick to our own spaces? We don't visit Indian forums, so maybe you shouldn't visit ours. We aren't interested in Indian culture, we're not attracted to Indian people, and we don't think that India can teach China anything. Naturally, China is going to defend its borders and support Pakistan, its close friend. That might make you unhappy, but it is what it is.

Literally everything you've said about Chinese people is false. Chinese people don't live in a fish bowl and most of us know that China doesn't get along with the West and its allies. There are many great countries in the West and I hope, as unlikely as it is at the moment, that China and the West can become friends. On the other hand, I couldn't care less about what kind of relationship China has with India as long as they don't fight each other.

I have a lot of good Indian friends. I don't think your statement is correct