I understand that China and India are the most populated nations on the planet by far, but I don't see the point in comparing them to each other. Chinese people are not related to Indian people in any sense of the word and there are virtually no similarities between the two cultures.
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coolieno99
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The Indian court order releases of Vivo executives
Palki Sharma returning home at the local train station after bashing China all day as Firstpost newscaster
Palki Sharma returning home at the local train station after bashing China all day as Firstpost newscaster
China and Chinese may agree on that assessment, but the opinion of the Anglosphere, which India does care about, lumps both China and India together as two 'rivals'. Rivals for Anglo patronage in actual meaning.
Indians who bash China only do so out of envy and to the extent that it can boost their standing with their Anglo "friends"
An extremely shaky case. So shaky that even the Indian court ordered the release of the Vivo executives. The Chinese executive still cannot leave India without the court's permission. So this Indian drama is far from over.
Palki Sharma is a hardcore Jai Hind, albeit most Jai Hinds tend to be male. To her, China is a hellhole, while India is a first class Supapowah. This train ride back home through Mumbai is her standard of "first-world Supapowa India". Although she does annoy me at times, I'm kinda glad that she and her fellow Jai Hinds think that India > China already. India is already perfect in their eyes, no need for any drastic improvements. These people help keep India complacent, deluded, and stagnating. Good.
Ignoring the racist subtext in your comment, the antipathy that some Indians have towards China is a very recent event.
It is a reflection of the very strained relations between the two countries after Galwan clash.
In fact, look at the article below to get a better understanding-
This is despite the fact that China has give unequivocal support to Pakistan, India’s hated rival.
The decline in relations started after China embarked on a new aggressive foreign policy also called the Wolf warrior policy.
China can hardly be blamed for this, as countries become strong they flex their muscles, it is a natural order for human societies.
proelite
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Which didn't happen in a vacuum. It was a reaction to Trump's populist-driven containment and vilification of China. Xi's administration was already in power for more than a term already before the Wolf Warrior term was coined.
Chinese foreign policies changed far less between this decade and the previous decades than that of Western nations.
Can you cite the evidence of China's "AGRESSIVE FOREIGN POLICY" which has been DUBBED AS THE "WOLF WARRIOR" policy not by China mind you, but by INDIA then followed by the WEST, not dissimilar to how it was the former INDIAN NATSEC advisory board member, and prominent geopolitical strategist, Brahma Chellaney. His published 2017 article "China's Debt-Trap Diplomacy" gained attention outside of India in the west that's how the misnomer of China's One Belt, One Road came into being. That's before the GALWAN VALLEY CLASH.
To suggest that China has initiated the current tension with India is such a deliberate omission of the actual facts and events on the ground assume that most members here have collective amnesia and or have our brains become retarded to the point of confusion.
Chellaney itself came up with the STRING OF PEARLS alleged strategy of China against India, regarding China's actual intent with making investments with Sri Lanka and other South Asian countries that you folks consider to be within YOUR SPHERE OF INFLUENCE. Indian thinking to be honest pretty much apes the west thinking with respect to its dealing with China and its neighbours.
How you view Sri Lanka, Pakistan as an affront to your sovereignty and national interest is such a joke when you and I know that many security officers and officials retired and serving covet Tibet to become part of India. Now, you guys are also trying to stir the Taiwan issue to poke with China.
The thing is India isn't even close to where China is in terms of actual national comprehensive strength and you guys are already acting like an arrived SUPERPOWER. From the assassination or alleged assassination of Indian separatists, and dissidents to countless self-aggrandizement proclamations about your military, economy, business, non-existent HSR, moon landing, trade, and the best of all, the supposed defender and advocate of the Global South. And China is supposed to be aggressive and Wolf Warrior like?
Defending one's own territory with historical legacy and wound don't equal AGRESSIVE POSTURE. It's only aggressive to BULLIES AND WEAK-WILLED NATIONS accustomed to having their ways.
This article wonderfully clarifies the deterioration of relations between India and China-
The interesting point as the article in my previous post made clear, an opinion poll in 2006 about Indian people’s views on China and America showed an almost identical favorability rating.
Regarding China’s wolf warrior policy- Why not ask Phillipines about it, a few years back it had the most pro-China govt in history and look how China dealt with it leading to the present warlike situation.
Or let’s ask Australia who were sanctioned because they had the temerity to ask for an independent probe into the origins of Covid. Or Vietnam or Malaysia or Indonesia or Japan all of whom have territorial disputes.
Of course, Chinese people have the bad luck of living in a fish bowl like enclosed environment because of the communist regime, so they have no idea what the world thinks about them.
proelite
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I grew up in the States. The answer to all of this is Trump, and then Biden. The US actively encourages tensions in Asia between China and its neighbors. Chinese border issues have improved since the pre-2000s with the normalization of borders with Russia and Vietnam, two countries that have resulted in armed conflict with border issues with. Take US of the picture and most of the South China Sea tension will disappear.
Most Chinese think that the anti-Chinese sentiment is due to Trump and Covid, and I don't think anyone can disagree with that. Also, Japan, India, Australia, Philippines have democratic elections so a big boogie man is useful, regardless of ground truth. I guarantee you that if India and China were in a negotiation to settle the border question for good, the Chinese side will be in earnest, while the Indian side can't due to populism (fear of looking weak to the constituents).
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