Indian Air Force News thread.

[vincelee]

And Mr. vincelee, you DO realize that China has NOT achieved this even today right ? (I have no intention of defaming China, but to reply to this member).

I believe that with the addition of this coating on the LCA, it may become one of the most stealthiest fighters manufactured in Asia.

RAM coating for cockpits? Publicly displayed during ZhuHai 04, if not earlier. Also, notice the gold taint on the Su-27/J-11 cockpits.

Please, stop making more of a fool out of yourself than you already have.

and your second paragraph.....honestly, can you at least read a bit about radar signature reduction from some legitmate sources? i.e. not Indian pieces of fecal matter like the Hindu/IndianTimes or where-ever you got that article from. Truth of the matter is, stuff like pacer mud and have glass are heavy, very heavy. One of the primary limitations of RAM development today isn't in frequency dampening, but weight. Sure you can apply effective RAM over the LCA generously, but it probably won't even take off after that. LCA's stealth would come from its mostly composite body and hopefully engine blade shielding, not cockpit RAM coating over the body.

I understand that you're technically challenged, but having spent some much time on SinoDefense, which is very technically oriented, I would think you should have learned something.

Please refrain from posted shit like this again. If you want to post about Indian RAM applications, don't quote idiots.

 

[vincelee]

and for the record, I do not offend anything Indian given the chance. One of my housemates next year is Indian and we're very good friends. It's just that the quality of Indian posters on this forum is rather subpar.

And when entered into a debate, their rhetorics always become politicalized.

 

[Gollevainen]

Now indianfigter and Vince, just continue your personal clahses somewhere else, stick only to the topic and leave marks about others charasters out of this thread, ok?

 

[Indianfighter]

i'm just wondering, how much is a crore? I kind of like to know what the prices of these things are.

1 crore=10 million. $1= Rs. 45.

As for the laser stuff, just read this

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gf0012-aust is one of the most knowledgeable posters on these internet boards. He knows a heck lot more than the person that wrote that article.

I read his posts, and all he said was that hand-held lasers are impractical. Kindly read the link to the article posted by rahul. Its from researchers from Air Force Research Laboratory.
In that article, 2 solutions have been provided to eliminate the glowing of the cockpit by laser illumination. The second solution given is the golden-tinge to be applied, along with a porthole, so that there is there is no internal reflection and subsequent cockpit illumination.

Please refrain from posted shit like this again.

This is Indian Military News thread, and that news I posted, was an achievement for India. There is nothing wrong if I posted it.

I understand that you're technically challenged, but having spent some much time on SinoDefense, which is very technically oriented, I would think you should have learned something.

With all due respect to SDF (its my favourite forum; my first membership was here and I learnt a lot from here, and made friends), Sinodefence is one of the LEAST technically oriented defence forums. Bharat-Rakshak tops the list in my view, followed by Pakdef at no.2 and safdar, TopGun from PDF at no. 3.

And yes, China has developed some stealth coating.

I dont bother from where did Institute No. 360 developed golden-tinge or RAM coating.
If it has, then the mistake of the Indian journalist who posted that article is that he placed India at no.3 after US and Russia, instead of no.4 thats all.

Making a golden-tinge for an aircraft to increase its stealthiness against IR lasers IS NOT A CRIME.

Don't get your hopes up too high.

Please, stop making more of a fool out of yourself than you already have.

What is all this ? "Dont get your hopes too high", "you made a fool of yourself..."

I highlight/underline important portions of a news item to facilitate reading, and I have not just Chinese members, but also Chinese moderators ganging up against me, as though I abused them and their country !!!

I can understand vincelee, as he is a habitual offender, but tphuang's behavior was unwarranted for completely, especially because he is a moderator and is the reason for this seemingly rude post from me.

I have REPEATEDLY asked for the discipinary action to be taken against vincelee, but no action has been taken. I repeat my request to forum administrators and moderators.

Mr. Gollevainen, Kindly do not lock this thread, because news from the Indian Air Force keeps coming regularly, and can be systematically posted in this thread for public viewing.

 

[tphuang]

Indianfighter, read back my post. I wasn't trying to insult you, but just saying that the article is offbase. Gary was saying that the laser part of that article was totally offbase. Now, you can try to argue that, but do not say that I said the entire bit about gold tinge is incorrect, when all I mentionned was laser. Make a note that I did discuss the coating as a separate issue later. I understand you are upset from reading Vincelee's posts, but please do not put words in my mouth that I did not say.

As for stealth coating, many countries have been working on this. I'm sure the European countries all have something going, otherwise Dessault and EADS would not be spending all of their time arguing about whether Rafale or Typhoon is the second stealthiest fighter after F-22.

 

[Indianfighter]

Indianfighter, read back my post. I wasn't trying to insult you, but just saying that the article is offbase.

I now realize that, and I was wrong.
Vincelee/YueTheMighty has been abusing me since sinodefence was on EZboard, and because of him I wote the last post. This was nothing, you should have seen what he used to write back then, and I used to tolerate him.

As for stealth coating, many countries have been working on this. I'm sure the European countries all have something going, otherwise Dessault and EADS would not be spending all of their time arguing about whether Rafale or Typhoon is the second stealthiest fighter after F-22.

Yes, it is obvious, but as far as the typical golden tinge on the canopy of a cockpit is concerned, I have seen it mostly on USAF F-16s and dont remember seeing it on other fighters.

 

[Indianfighter]

Rs 7,000-cr defence deals get CCS nod
Rajat Pandit
Saturday, April 01, 2006 12:07:01 amTIMES NEWS NETWORK

NEW DELHI: In a last-minute dash before the financial year ended on Friday, the Centre has cleared defence procurements worth an estimated Rs 7,000 crore.

The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) chaired by PM Manmohan Singh met on successive days on Thursday and Friday to clear procurements for the armed forces basically from defence public sector units.

The CCS approved 20 single-seater Jaguars (Rs 2,442 crore) and 20 'Tejas' Light Combat Aircraft (Rs 2,438 crore) for IAF from Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).

IAF inducted 40 Jaguars from UK in the early 1980s, which was followed by indigenous manufacture of another 108 such fighters by HAL under licence.

Now, the first six of the 20 new Jaguars, equipped with "Darin-II" systems, will be inducted in May-June, said defence minister Pranab Mukherjee.

The much-delayed indigenous 'Tejas' LCA, however, is slated to become fully operational only by 2010.(i.e after grant of the FOC) The government, incidentally, has also asked HAL to "speed up" delivery schedules of the 140 Russian-origin "air superiority" Sukhoi-30MKI fighters to be manufactured at Nashik over the next 15 years, apart from the 50 imported from Russia directly or in semi-knocked down condition.

The CCS also approved the procurement of another 20 'Dhruvs' for the Army from HAL at a cost of Rs 955 crore. The armed forces have already inducted 46 of these twin-engined multi-role helicopters till now.

The other decisions include acquisition of seven Central Acquisition Radars (Rs 275-crore) from Bharat Electronics Ltd; vehicles (Rs 535 crore) for the recently "upgunned" 130-mm field artillery gun; and five inshore patrol vessels (Rs 431 crore) for the Coast Guard from Hindustan Shipyard Ltd.

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[Indianfighter]

HAL to tie up with Israeli firm to market Dhruv copters
BY RAMNATH SHENOY BANGALORE, APR 4 (PTI)

City-based Hindustan Aeronautics Limited will tie up with an Israeli firm to market the Dhruv Advance Light Helicopters (ALH) globally.

The tie-up would be a joint venture company that HAL would float with Israel Aircraft Industries, to market the Dhruv ALHs in international market, HAL Chairman Ashok K Baweja said today.

"We are forming a joint venture company. The Board has cleared it, and the process is on. It will be a 50:50 venture. Both of us are investing USD two million each", Baweja told PTI here.

A few countries in South America, mid-Europe and the Malaysian-Indonesian region were keen to buy Dhruv, he added.

The Bangalore-based HAL has already produced more than 60 Dhruv helicopters, including 18 in the previous fiscal, company sources said.

Indian Army had recently decided to buy 20 more Dhruv helicopters at Rs 955 crore, in addition to the 52 helicopters for which orders had been placed, HAL officials said.

They denied that ALHs had been grounded following the tail rotor blade failure incident last November.

"It was not a design issue. The fleet is not grounded. There are no restraints. We are up and running", Baweja said.

He said within the next two-three months, the entire ALH fleet would be back in action with new tail rotor blades.

Officials said the ALHs would soon have a tail rotor vibration warning system to caution the pilots well in advance in case of any faults in the tail rotor system.

Asked about HAL's diversification plans, Baweja said HAL would forge partnerships to launch advanced avionics in India. "We are planning partnerships for maintenance, repair and overhaul and new partnerships for design and development in helicopters".

Baweja said HAL has already taken up the light combat helicopter programme on its own, while it was looking for partnership with regard to the ten-tonne class multi-role helicopter one.

The HAL was building a cargo-complex in Nasik and it would be ready in three to four months, he added.

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[Gollevainen]

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