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Indianfighter
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No. For IOC, LCA requires 1000 sorties. After a limited series of LCA are inducted into the IAF for a few years, then FOC shall be granted.tphuang said:
Now LCA has completed 503 sorties already. So it wont have time to complete 1000 by this year (June is the date estimated for production to begin).
ADA has said that once PV-3 is completed, then the limited production of the LCA shall begin by June this year, and testing of TD-1, TD-2, PV-1, PV-2 and PV-3 shall continue in order to reach the mandatory 1000 sorty mark.
So, while production will be ongoing, these fighters will keep flying to reach the formal mark of 1000, and by the time the 1000 mark is reached, the produced fighters will also be ready (similar too instruction pipelining).
PV-3 shall be the final production variant with all flight parameters completed, and weapons integration done.
PV-4 and PV-5 shall be the trainer and naval variants respectively, and work is continuing on them (Naval pilots have already flown the PV-1 and PV-2).
Indianfighter
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Scientists develop stealth tech
Prithvijit Mitra
KOLKATA: India could soon be the third country in the world, after the US and France, to have a stealth bomber fighter aircraft in its armoury.
The Kolkata-based Indian Association for Cultivation of Science (IACS) has developed a technology to convert ordinary light combat aircraft into stealth jets that would go undetected on radar. The first stage of the experiment, which commenced in 1999, has been successfully concluded. The defence ministry has approved the technology and has given the go-ahead for "full-scale production" to begin. It is expected to start in about six months’ time. According to IACS scientists associated with the project, the technology uses a special material to construct a shield on the plexi-glass canopies. It is the glass cover of the cockpit that usually betrays the presence of an aircraft as it reflects the laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar. The shield will cover the cockpit and deflect the laser beam on the shield in all directions.
"This will make sure the aircraft remains undetected on the radar. We are not sure if the same technology is used in France and the US. It has been developed in our own way and using our own techniques. If it works out well, this would be a big step for defence technology in India," said a scientist
Defence officials said the advanced combat aircraft made in the US and France have a similar shield on the plexi-glass canopies. "This shield gives the canopies a golden tinge. This special layer scatters the laser beams emitted from a radar site either on the ground or in the air (AWACS). We’ve been trying to develop this technology for some time. The shield developed by IACS will boost our indigenisation efforts," an official said.
During the exercises at Kalaikunda where US F-16s took part, IAF officials got a closer look at the gold-tinted canopies. They also got a chance to test the technique by using ground-based radar. Interestingly, the F-16s from Singapore did not have the shield as the technology has not been transferred
The defence authorities were so impressed with the new technology that they decided to fast-track the process and start full-scale production of the canopy following a test at Jodhpur recently.
"They had the option of going for a pilot project initially but they chose to skip it," said an IACS official. Fighter jets like Jaguars, MiGs, Mirages and Sukhois will now be fitted with this special canopy to enhance their stealth capabilities
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Prithvijit Mitra
KOLKATA: India could soon be the third country in the world, after the US and France, to have a stealth bomber fighter aircraft in its armoury.
The Kolkata-based Indian Association for Cultivation of Science (IACS) has developed a technology to convert ordinary light combat aircraft into stealth jets that would go undetected on radar. The first stage of the experiment, which commenced in 1999, has been successfully concluded. The defence ministry has approved the technology and has given the go-ahead for "full-scale production" to begin. It is expected to start in about six months’ time. According to IACS scientists associated with the project, the technology uses a special material to construct a shield on the plexi-glass canopies. It is the glass cover of the cockpit that usually betrays the presence of an aircraft as it reflects the laser beam that is emitted to catch them on the radar. The shield will cover the cockpit and deflect the laser beam on the shield in all directions.
"This will make sure the aircraft remains undetected on the radar. We are not sure if the same technology is used in France and the US. It has been developed in our own way and using our own techniques. If it works out well, this would be a big step for defence technology in India," said a scientist
Defence officials said the advanced combat aircraft made in the US and France have a similar shield on the plexi-glass canopies. "This shield gives the canopies a golden tinge. This special layer scatters the laser beams emitted from a radar site either on the ground or in the air (AWACS). We’ve been trying to develop this technology for some time. The shield developed by IACS will boost our indigenisation efforts," an official said.
During the exercises at Kalaikunda where US F-16s took part, IAF officials got a closer look at the gold-tinted canopies. They also got a chance to test the technique by using ground-based radar. Interestingly, the F-16s from Singapore did not have the shield as the technology has not been transferred
The defence authorities were so impressed with the new technology that they decided to fast-track the process and start full-scale production of the canopy following a test at Jodhpur recently.
"They had the option of going for a pilot project initially but they chose to skip it," said an IACS official. Fighter jets like Jaguars, MiGs, Mirages and Sukhois will now be fitted with this special canopy to enhance their stealth capabilities
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This article was obviously written by amatures (more amature than me, at least).
So the new cockpit coating makes a stealth aircraft? So all USAF F-16s are now considered stealth ac? Anyway, good for the Indians that they developed this tech, but I see no Indian stealth planes in the near future.
So the new cockpit coating makes a stealth aircraft? So all USAF F-16s are now considered stealth ac? Anyway, good for the Indians that they developed this tech, but I see no Indian stealth planes in the near future.
MIGleader
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Isnt it funny? Slap a cockpit coating on your plane and it all of a sudden becomes stealthy.
This is absolute BS. how on earth can they claim a cockpit film will make an aircraft undetectable to radar? Theres a reason why I barely ever read this thread anymore, and its because it's so full of this crap.
This article was posted by the inidan-nationalistic moron aaaditya on Defence talk. He has a reputation of...well...too nationalistic to find any common sense.
This is absolute BS. how on earth can they claim a cockpit film will make an aircraft undetectable to radar? Theres a reason why I barely ever read this thread anymore, and its because it's so full of this crap.
This article was posted by the inidan-nationalistic moron aaaditya on Defence talk. He has a reputation of...well...too nationalistic to find any common sense.
Indianfighter
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I agree that the article is quite amateurish when it says that this technology shall lead to the development of stealth bombers, but it is correct in saying that the LCA shall become stealthy by a few notches.
It is the glass canopy that deflects laser/FLIR beams and thus betrays the presence of aircraft. The addition of this tinge shall be instrumental in increasing the stealth feature of an aircraft.
It must be remembered that stealth feaature is a relative term and not an absolute one.
It is the glass canopy that deflects laser/FLIR beams and thus betrays the presence of aircraft. The addition of this tinge shall be instrumental in increasing the stealth feature of an aircraft.
It must be remembered that stealth feaature is a relative term and not an absolute one.
Indianfighter
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Indian Air Force will buy 20 Mirages for now
Josy Joseph
Tuesday, March 28, 2006 00:03 IST
NEW DELHI: Faced with an unprecedented depletion in its fighter fleet and a possible delay in the contract for 126 new fighters, the Indian Air Force is proposing to buy 20 new Mirage fighters from France and overhaul its existing Mirage fleet.
The entire contract would cost over Rs7,000 crores.
Sources told DNA that the Ministry of Defence conveyed its proposal to the top brass of Dassault Aviation, manufacturers of Mirage, when French President Jacques Chirac visited India in February. The decision comes at a time when the government has slowed down the procedure to acquire 126 new fighters, contracts for which could be gifted to the US, if the US Congress approves the nuclear deal. DNA reported on Monday the government is toying with the idea of using the fighter contract as a leverage and reciprocity with the US.
Each of the proposed new Mirage 2000-5 fighters would cost over Rs 200 crores. Mirage 2000-5 fighters are the latest version of the fabled French fighters, some 50 of which are in service with the IAF. The new version would carry Israeli and Russian avionics and ammunition, sources said. The IAF, which presently has three Mirage squadrons, would add a fourth squadron with the new Mirages, sources said.
The proposal seeks to overhaul the entire Mirage 2000 fleet of IAF to bring them at par with the Mirage 2000-5. The overhaul for each fighter would cost over Rs70 crores, and the entire overhaul budget for Mirages could be over Rs3,500 crores, sources said. The overhaul would be carried out at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.
“The fleet strength is going down. We are not looking at a very rosy future,” says a source involved in the deal. The IAF has an authorised strength of 39.5 squadrons but presently it has only around 35 in operation. “It has been depleting for quite sometime. The 126 fighters were projected in 2001 and approved by the government, but today the requirement is much more. When I retired the strength was already down by two or three squadrons. Now it would be more. The depletion is steady,” says former IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S Krishnaswamy.
The unusual and urgent proposal to acquire the 20 state-of-the-science Mirage 2000-5 comes at a time when its manufacturer Dassault Aviation is planning to stop production of Mirage 2000-5. They have already pulled out Mirage 2000-5 model from the race for 126 fighters, offering its new Rafale fighters instead.
Without commenting directly on the proposal, Krishnaswamy says the Mirages are “good aircrafts and the air force is very happy with it”.
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Josy Joseph
Tuesday, March 28, 2006 00:03 IST
NEW DELHI: Faced with an unprecedented depletion in its fighter fleet and a possible delay in the contract for 126 new fighters, the Indian Air Force is proposing to buy 20 new Mirage fighters from France and overhaul its existing Mirage fleet.
The entire contract would cost over Rs7,000 crores.
Sources told DNA that the Ministry of Defence conveyed its proposal to the top brass of Dassault Aviation, manufacturers of Mirage, when French President Jacques Chirac visited India in February. The decision comes at a time when the government has slowed down the procedure to acquire 126 new fighters, contracts for which could be gifted to the US, if the US Congress approves the nuclear deal. DNA reported on Monday the government is toying with the idea of using the fighter contract as a leverage and reciprocity with the US.
Each of the proposed new Mirage 2000-5 fighters would cost over Rs 200 crores. Mirage 2000-5 fighters are the latest version of the fabled French fighters, some 50 of which are in service with the IAF. The new version would carry Israeli and Russian avionics and ammunition, sources said. The IAF, which presently has three Mirage squadrons, would add a fourth squadron with the new Mirages, sources said.
The proposal seeks to overhaul the entire Mirage 2000 fleet of IAF to bring them at par with the Mirage 2000-5. The overhaul for each fighter would cost over Rs70 crores, and the entire overhaul budget for Mirages could be over Rs3,500 crores, sources said. The overhaul would be carried out at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.
“The fleet strength is going down. We are not looking at a very rosy future,” says a source involved in the deal. The IAF has an authorised strength of 39.5 squadrons but presently it has only around 35 in operation. “It has been depleting for quite sometime. The 126 fighters were projected in 2001 and approved by the government, but today the requirement is much more. When I retired the strength was already down by two or three squadrons. Now it would be more. The depletion is steady,” says former IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S Krishnaswamy.
The unusual and urgent proposal to acquire the 20 state-of-the-science Mirage 2000-5 comes at a time when its manufacturer Dassault Aviation is planning to stop production of Mirage 2000-5. They have already pulled out Mirage 2000-5 model from the race for 126 fighters, offering its new Rafale fighters instead.
Without commenting directly on the proposal, Krishnaswamy says the Mirages are “good aircrafts and the air force is very happy with it”.
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IndianFighter, you DO realize that this has been achieved by the West and Russia 20 years ago, right?
I point you to Have Glass and Pacer Mud, which were US programs in the 80's that is pretty much the article is talking about (courtesy of DJCross on fighterplanes forum).
I point you to Have Glass and Pacer Mud, which were US programs in the 80's that is pretty much the article is talking about (courtesy of DJCross on fighterplanes forum).
Indianfighter
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And Mr. vincelee, you DO realize that China has NOT achieved this even today right ? (I have no intention of defaming China, but to reply to this member).vincelee said:
I believe that with the addition of this coating on the LCA, it may become one of the most stealthiest fighters manufactured in Asia.
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i'm just wondering, how much is a crore? I kind of like to know what the prices of these things are. I guess this is one way to make a little order to keep the Mirage lines open, so you can buy more M2Ks later. Maybe the Rafale fighters are deemed too expensive.Indianfighter said:
As for the laser stuff, just read this
gf0012-aust is one of the most knowledgeable posters on these internet boards. He knows a heck lot more than the person that wrote that article. Don't get your hopes up too high.
And yes, China has developed some stealth coating.
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