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France may offer Rafale for Mirage


Chirac Visit Contract still 3-4 years away, Paris can’t keep factories idling


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Posted online: Thursday, February 16, 2006 at 0000 hours IST



NEW DELHI, FEBRUARY 15: When French President Jacques Chirac arrives in New Delhi on February 19, he will make it a point to tell Indian authorities about the formal withdrawal of the Mirage-2000-5 fighter from the bid for 126 combat aircraft that the IAF is looking at. In its place, he will formally offer the Rafale multirole fighter.

In what has taken the IAF completely by surprise, considering it has unofficially been gunning for the Mirage, the French government has conveyed its intention to shortly pull the Mirage family of fighters off all production lines at contractor Dassault’s facilities to make way for the full-rate production of the new-generation Rafale.



Considering it would take at least three-four years for a contract to actually be signed with India, Paris thinks it would be too expensive to keep the Mirage factories humming. The Rafale, it feels, would be a more a suitable contender: it is much more capable, though considerably costlier.

France’s plans may have been simmering since June last year when IAF chief Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi was given the opportunity to take a spin in a Rafale C-variant twin-seater at the Paris Air Show in Le Bourget. Even Navy chief Admiral Arun Prakash flew in a Rafale-M carrier variant when he was Western Naval commander early in 2004.

The French President had made it a point to visit the HAL pavilion at the Paris Air Show last June. France’s offer, like the other countries contending for the massive deal, would include the licensed manufacture of Rafales at HAL’s facilities.

Considering the IAF’s fears about adding yet another fighter type to its already swollen inventory—the reason why it wants already operational Mirage variants—the defence delegation accompanying Chirac, led by Defence Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, will tell South Block that upgrading infrastructure for the Rafale will not be an expensive proposition since it takes much from the Mirage family itself.

The decision to disengage the Mirage-2000-5 from participation in the IAF’s upcoming tender may have also had something to do with Washington’s unilateral offer of the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet, before which Paris considered the Mirage-2000-5 a worthy opponent to the American F-16 Fighting Falcon. The perception was that matching the old Mirage family against the relatively new Super Hornet would give the Americans the technological edge in the contract and subsequent trial tests.

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Russia, India designing interceptor fighter

VISAKHAPATNAM: Russia and India were designing a unique interceptor fighter of the fifth generation, Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Russian Federation, Vyacheslav I. Trubnikov, said in an exclusive interview to The Hindu on Tuesday.

The Russian ambassador was here on an invitation from the Navy to witness the President's Fleet Review (PFR) from February 11 to 13. Describing President A.P.J. Kalam as the "Father" of the Brahmos missile, he said India and Russia had now reached an agreement for designing, producing and also marketing the product. "It is a brilliant example of international cooperation. Starting from design, it is something new. It goes beyond the relationship of a buyer and seller. It is a mutual effort everywhere," he said.

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crazyinsane105

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Apart from the Indian media, I haven't read about the French offering the Rafale to the Indians. Above that, I am not a huge fan of the Rafale myself. It is way too overpriced and doesn't offer the capabilities provided by the Typhoon.
 

ArjunMk1

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crazyinsane105 said:
Apart from the Indian media, I haven't read about the French offering the Rafale to the Indians. Above that, I am not a huge fan of the Rafale myself. It is way too overpriced and doesn't offer the capabilities provided by the Typhoon.

Rafale would be some what overkill for 126 MCRA project.
It is same like the Su30 flanker in range,payload and mission but at thrice of the price !!!
 

f2000

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well if french continue with mirage offer maybe india will buy.
but with rafale which mirage can play the same role with much cheaper price
its hard 4 india to choose it.
better go 4 russian ac
 

ArjunMk1

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No F2000 , Mirage is medium range multipurpose while Rafale is long range air superiority fighter !!!


India should have Mig 35(Mig 29 OVT) and Mirage 2005 and nothing else !!
 

Gollevainen

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No F2000 , Mirage is medium range multipurpose while Rafale is long range air superiority fighter !!!

When making bold statements like these, i would like to hear your proofs on this matter? Where exactly is said that Rafale has lost it's multipurpose capability??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
 

ArjunMk1

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Gollevainen said:
When making bold statements like these, i would like to hear your proofs on this matter? Where exactly is said that Rafale has lost it's multipurpose capability??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Oh I said it earlier Rafael is much like Su30 Flanker with twice the price !!!
Why India is going to need another type when she has got ToT of Su30 MKI just to run French business ??
India needs a medium range multipurpose fighter like its current Mirage 2000 and Mig 29 . Something in between LCA/Mig-21 and Su30 owing to the fact that Mig 23 and Mig 27 will be retired by 2010/12 .
India's interest to US F16/18 is only due to ASEA radar , but now Israeli Elta has offered its own ASEA radar also the French and Russians are offering the same !!!

Now India needs to be bold enough to shed US and go for Mig 35 and Mirage 2005 since its compatible to its existing fleet also to thje budget .
 

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Rafale is medium weight Multirole fighter, not longrange dedicated air superioty fighter like Su-30. In overall size comparison it's marginally smaller than MiG-29 and F/A-18E Super Hornet, so pretty much exactly the plane India is hoping for...tough it may be bit prizy...
 

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I'd like to point to this comment on the cost of the Rafale:
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These costs make Rafale the cheapest of the current crop of fighters, while the claimed lack of cost growth since 1997 would make it the most tightly managed modern fighter programme. In eDefence Online, however, respected French aviation writer JM Guhl quoted "a list price given at some $66.5 million for the basic "naked" aircraft and almost $145 million with its complete set of sensors and weapons."

If you think that price is too high, consider UAE's 2005 deal to purchase 30 Mirage 2000-9's for $3.2 billion USD ($106.7 million each), and the 80 x F-16 block 60 package for $8.6 billion USD ($107.5 million each).

With prices like that, no wonder there's still a market for new MiG-29's. =/
 
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