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India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan
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Jura The idiot
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huh?
AssassinsMace
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I wasn't replying to you or I would've quoted you.
Jura The idiot
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I didn't get the relation between 22 minutes ago
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India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan
anyway
Let's stick to the topic please.
Since the area is disputed between China and Bhutan, and Bhutan accepted that there is a dispute, what India did by entering the dispute because of "security concern" is troublesome. It means that India still harbor a deep resentment toward China, because by saying there is a security concern, India directly saying China is a threat.
IMHO, China just want to settle all the dispute territory that has been left by colonial times and during the time China was weak. If China really wants to use force, I don't think China wants to waste time negotiating with Bhutan but China really negotiating with Bhutan as we can see how many rounds of negotiations there have been between China and Bhutan.
I do not know whose interpretation is correct whether Bhutan or China but if we read the treaty:
The surveyor at time thought Mount Gipmochi is the highest and since now we know that Mount Gipmochi is not the highest or not the crest, so we can interpret two things:
1. China is right because of this sentence: The line commences at Mount Gipmochi on the Bhutan frontier
2. Bhutan is right because of this sentence: The boundary of Sikkim and Tibet shall be the crest of the mountain range
Because of this conflicting sentences, that's why there is a dispute between China and Bhutan. And how they want to solve it should not involve other 3rd party. China ready to give up other areas of disputed territory with Bhutan in exchange for Doklam and Bhutan actually agreed to that but because of opposition from India, that's why the current dispute is still going.
And the opposition from India is because of security concern, if India really wants to have peaceful neighborhood, India should start by not making China an enemy or thinking China is a threat.
All the propaganda from India or western media wants to paint China as a threat, but in this case India is actually the aggressor because of entering a disputed area between other parties without invitation.
IMHO, China just want to settle all the dispute territory that has been left by colonial times and during the time China was weak. If China really wants to use force, I don't think China wants to waste time negotiating with Bhutan but China really negotiating with Bhutan as we can see how many rounds of negotiations there have been between China and Bhutan.
I do not know whose interpretation is correct whether Bhutan or China but if we read the treaty:
The surveyor at time thought Mount Gipmochi is the highest and since now we know that Mount Gipmochi is not the highest or not the crest, so we can interpret two things:
1. China is right because of this sentence: The line commences at Mount Gipmochi on the Bhutan frontier
2. Bhutan is right because of this sentence: The boundary of Sikkim and Tibet shall be the crest of the mountain range
Because of this conflicting sentences, that's why there is a dispute between China and Bhutan. And how they want to solve it should not involve other 3rd party. China ready to give up other areas of disputed territory with Bhutan in exchange for Doklam and Bhutan actually agreed to that but because of opposition from India, that's why the current dispute is still going.
And the opposition from India is because of security concern, if India really wants to have peaceful neighborhood, India should start by not making China an enemy or thinking China is a threat.
All the propaganda from India or western media wants to paint China as a threat, but in this case India is actually the aggressor because of entering a disputed area between other parties without invitation.
India's concern over this issue is not without merit. However all of this is assuming China is a real future threat. Many around the world genuinely believe this to be.
The ball is really in China's court now. Whether it decides to exercise restraint and even give up those claims or go to war over it, India certainly doesn't seem like it'll be moving. Either way, China loses something. It can go to war and show the rest of the world that the west was "right" this whole time about China being an "aggressive bully". Or it can back off and either settle the issue in a more favorable era or give it up entirely and lose face while India trumpets its victory around the world for decades maybe centuries.
If there was a good play here, we'd have seen it already. Fact is China is between a rock and a hard place. The best outcome would be to establish talks with Bhutan bilaterally and resolve this without India.
The ball is really in China's court now. Whether it decides to exercise restraint and even give up those claims or go to war over it, India certainly doesn't seem like it'll be moving. Either way, China loses something. It can go to war and show the rest of the world that the west was "right" this whole time about China being an "aggressive bully". Or it can back off and either settle the issue in a more favorable era or give it up entirely and lose face while India trumpets its victory around the world for decades maybe centuries.
If there was a good play here, we'd have seen it already. Fact is China is between a rock and a hard place. The best outcome would be to establish talks with Bhutan bilaterally and resolve this without India.
IMHO, China should not back off but also don't start a war, just keep holding that position and keep doing negotiation with Bhutan. If Bhutan and China can agree with a solution, then there is no reason for India to be there. The problem right now Bhutan is too dependent to India, that's why Bhutan still can not make a loud noise. At least with the current standoff, more people are aware of Bhutan and the thinking of India.
India still holding that colonial era attitude and still thinking India is the big brother and Bhutan is India's protectorate state. Sikkim was swallowed by India because of security concern, but before that India was sending many immigrants to Sikkim to change the demographic there. I don't know if Bhutan will face the same fate as Sikkim. Bhutan already looking at Nepal's fate when almost 40% of their population are immigrant from India (Madeshi) when Nepal got blockaded in 2015. Nepal is fortunate because there is already a road to China.
Bhutan needs China and not too dependent to India and because of the current standoff the more exposure, the more people will know and China should be more patient.
India still holding that colonial era attitude and still thinking India is the big brother and Bhutan is India's protectorate state. Sikkim was swallowed by India because of security concern, but before that India was sending many immigrants to Sikkim to change the demographic there. I don't know if Bhutan will face the same fate as Sikkim. Bhutan already looking at Nepal's fate when almost 40% of their population are immigrant from India (Madeshi) when Nepal got blockaded in 2015. Nepal is fortunate because there is already a road to China.
Bhutan needs China and not too dependent to India and because of the current standoff the more exposure, the more people will know and China should be more patient.
It seems like China has been pursuing the best option already, so far refraining from military action despite the chest thumping, trying to resolve the situation peacefully through diplomacy, calling out India's actual military aggression, and getting China's side of the story out there.
I agree with your analysis, the deeper issue is Bhutan's independence of action or lack thereof.
But China is hardly getting its story out there. It's almost completely silenced in the west. The little bits of its story that make it past the filters, are portrayed as idiotic propaganda from commies. Hardly anyone who is not in the know even bothers with trying to understand this issue from PRC's POV. I don't think CPC is aiming for the wide audience. If they are, they're not doing it correctly. Especially with the racist mocking of Indians in that recent seven sins video. What a travesty.
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