Ideal PLA main battle tank (?)

Totoro said:

* Just like the name implies - guerillas managed to destroy a few merkavas because they were doing guerilla warfare. Hiding, waiting for a good oportunity, waiting till tank passes them by, hitting the tank from behind, etc. Urban battlefield filled with civilians was also a good conduit for such warfare, as Israelis couldn't just level the place before going in with tanks. Conculusion is - any tank in the world would have suffered the same consequences.

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Israel has great technology from America and the EU, but Israeli soldiers seem to be incorrectly trained every time warfare breaks out, even though Israel brags that its soldiers are amongst the best or the most experienced soldiers in the world. Israel's military is totally dependent on superior US and EU technology, especially because Israeli soldiers have incorrect technique.

China could learn a lot from this. If China plans on urban warfare, China should train its infantry to be able to fight independently in urban settings, and also train to fight with armored support and air power in urban settings. Chinese tanks should train both ways, too. Otherwise, China's military will be greatly limited in the type of warfare they can conduct, and China will have to resort to bombing everyone, enemies and civilians, which will only create more enemies for China. Eventually, China could be overwhelmed with enemies if other nations arm China's enemies because they feel indignant that China openly kills civilians.

Skywatcher said:

Are you thinking of the M929A3 round instead?

The reactive armor on the ZTZ-96 and ZTZ-99 don't seem to generally cover the turret. Is the PLA that confident about the frontal turret protection of their tanks?

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Are you sure about China's tank having no dynamic defenses in the front of their Type-96 and Type-99 tanks? I have seen pictures of these two tanks with dynamic defenses, like ERA, in the frontal region from the tank's body to its turret's front and sides. I am not 100% positive they are ERA, but they sure look like it. I have also seen pictures of these two tanks with minimal to zero dynamic defenses.

I think China puts on and takes off dynamic defenses, like ERA, depending on the training they are doing. You could be right, though, maybe China is overconfident of its tanks without dynamic defenses, like ERA. I hope that is not the case.

Infra_Man99 said:

Are you sure about China's tank having no dynamic defenses in the front of their Type-96 and Type-99 tanks? I have seen pictures of these two tanks with dynamic defenses, like ERA, in the frontal region from the tank's body to its turret's front and sides. I am not 100% positive they are ERA, but they sure look like it. I have also seen pictures of these two tanks with minimal to zero dynamic defenses.

I think China puts on and takes off dynamic defenses, like ERA, depending on the training they are doing. You could be right, though, maybe China is overconfident of its tanks without dynamic defenses, like ERA. I hope that is not the case.

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I've definitely seen photos of Type-99 covered with ERA, some people think that's Type-99G, but I think they just sticked some modular ERA onto the tank. I think when out for actual battles Type-96 and 99 can be easily fitted with ERAs.

Skywatcher said:

Are you thinking of the M929A3 round instead?

The reactive armor on the ZTZ-96 and ZTZ-99 don't seem to generally cover the turret. Is the PLA that confident about the frontal turret protection of their tanks?

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No - I was stating M829A2, one should use caution on what they are reading on the web, information on KE penetrators is classified, and what you read on the different sites is pure speculation. Russian ERA is over estimated for stopping KE projectiles.

Infra_Man99 said:

Are you sure about China's tank having no dynamic defenses in the front of their Type-96 and Type-99 tanks? I have seen pictures of these two tanks with dynamic defenses, like ERA, in the frontal region from the tank's body to its turret's front and sides. I am not 100% positive they are ERA, but they sure look like it. I have also seen pictures of these two tanks with minimal to zero dynamic defenses.

I think China puts on and takes off dynamic defenses, like ERA, depending on the training they are doing. You could be right, though, maybe China is overconfident of its tanks without dynamic defenses, like ERA. I hope that is not the case.

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I don't think those blocks on the turret on the ZTZ-99 and ZTZ-96A are ERA. They're too large for effective protection, and the layout of the ERA on the "ZTZ-99A" indicated that there was something arrow headed shaped under the ERA blocks.

I guess they might be some sort of composite armor.

according to Chinese magazine"tanks and armour vehicle" during the second chenchn war, single T-72 tank fitted with ERA survive hit by 6 AT-5 ATGM and single RPG-7 round .

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Thing is, were they hitting the same spot?
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The Type99 uses triangularspaced blocks just like Leo 2.

sumdud said:

Thing is, were they hitting the same spot?
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The Type99 uses triangularspaced blocks just like Leo 2.

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Well, it's not as if all or most of the anti armor weapons will hit the exact same spot on a tank in a single engagement.

Crew: 6
Weight: 88t
Engine: Best engine in 2015
Cruising Range: 1000km
Speed: Max road 60km/h; max off-road 40km/h
Main Gun: 2 x Indigenous 150mm smoothbore, 80 rounds
Rate of Fire: 8 x 2 rounds/min (autoloader), 4 x 2 r/min (manual load)
Auxiliary Weapon: One coaxial 7.62mm machine gun; one 12.7mm air-defence machine gun
Fire Control: Laser rangefinder input, onboard computer, wind sensor, and control panel

Is that from C&C?

Looks like a game tank to me. Many games have double cannoned tanks like for example, Ground Control. C&C features similar tanks not just in Generals, but also in its Red Alert and Tiberium franchises.