Ideal of DDG 167 improvement
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guitarjeff
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VLS conversion on DDG167 involves the removal of the hanger, possibly also major reworks involving the hull structure. Those things can take up much needed manpower needed for the construction of the 054A frigates, not to mention the unavailability of the ship for months. The PLAN now is probably overwhelmed by the influx of new hulls with new hardware, and a major refit (reconstruction?) of DDG167 wouldn't help to alleviate the manpower problem. The most realistic alterations would be removing those type 76A dual 37mm guns and replacing them with a pair of Type 730 CIWS. For logistic reasons, the main gun should be replaced with the 100mm type mounted on the new destroyers. The DDG167 should then be returned to active service as soon as possible such that its personnel can accumulate more experience at sea.
yeah, well, they haven't bought any additional sets of rif system, they haven't bought any more tombstone FCR. Where are they going to put tombstone on 167? Look at 115 and 167, how are they going to put S-300 VLS on there?
Be a little realistic with you proposals.
Dear Sirs:
The obsolesence of many of the older PLAN platforms (warships) is the consequence of its' headlong modernization - as well as that of China's shipyards/shipbuilding in general.
I personally feel that many of the older warships, the Jiangwei 1 FFG's, DDG 113 and 114, DDG 167 as well as the Sov's fall into this category - not just the Luda and Jiangnan classes.
DDG 113/114 are probably still the most useful of the older vessels, having pioneered many PLAN systems, such as gas turbine engines, the twin-37 mm CIWS, a local version of TAVITAC(?), a helicopter hanger and SAMs.
Still despite this, they have older electronic systems, particularly in their radars (especially that enormous 2D affair amidships) and combat information systems - and are built on a small and rather unstealthy hull form.
DDG 167 is for me rather a disappointment, having the same armament layout as the older destroyers on a larger hull but with steam propulsion (Q - why does no other PLAN vessel adopt her 3D radar?). She like the Sov's are probably very expensive and fuel-hungry ships to operate, as well as difficult to maintain.
I believe the PLAN should not have imported the second set of Sov's, they were overpriced and very limited vessels. The fact that DDG 115 and 116 follow this obsolescent layout seems to indicate that a faction within the PLAN prefers this.
For the moment the PLAN should stick with either gas turbine propulsion or with diesel or better yet with CODAG or CODAD systems. Steam propulsion should be left to the nuclear submarines.
The most cost effective surface combatants the PLAN is acquiring are the 054A frigates, they should build a lot of them to replace all the older difficult to maintain and obsolescent vessels.
The best thing they could do with DDG 167 is to provide minor improvements to her missile systems, electronics and sensors, and hand her over to the training command.
Best Regards,
Dusky Lim
The obsolesence of many of the older PLAN platforms (warships) is the consequence of its' headlong modernization - as well as that of China's shipyards/shipbuilding in general.
I personally feel that many of the older warships, the Jiangwei 1 FFG's, DDG 113 and 114, DDG 167 as well as the Sov's fall into this category - not just the Luda and Jiangnan classes.
DDG 113/114 are probably still the most useful of the older vessels, having pioneered many PLAN systems, such as gas turbine engines, the twin-37 mm CIWS, a local version of TAVITAC(?), a helicopter hanger and SAMs.
Still despite this, they have older electronic systems, particularly in their radars (especially that enormous 2D affair amidships) and combat information systems - and are built on a small and rather unstealthy hull form.
DDG 167 is for me rather a disappointment, having the same armament layout as the older destroyers on a larger hull but with steam propulsion (Q - why does no other PLAN vessel adopt her 3D radar?). She like the Sov's are probably very expensive and fuel-hungry ships to operate, as well as difficult to maintain.
I believe the PLAN should not have imported the second set of Sov's, they were overpriced and very limited vessels. The fact that DDG 115 and 116 follow this obsolescent layout seems to indicate that a faction within the PLAN prefers this.
For the moment the PLAN should stick with either gas turbine propulsion or with diesel or better yet with CODAG or CODAD systems. Steam propulsion should be left to the nuclear submarines.
The most cost effective surface combatants the PLAN is acquiring are the 054A frigates, they should build a lot of them to replace all the older difficult to maintain and obsolescent vessels.
The best thing they could do with DDG 167 is to provide minor improvements to her missile systems, electronics and sensors, and hand her over to the training command.
Best Regards,
Dusky Lim
actually, I'm not sure the 167 in shipyard is to upgrade.as well as 525.
Hi, tphuang,are you sure about this.maybe they just have had another rif system.
Hi, tphuang,are you sure about this.maybe they just have had another rif system.