Ideal chinese carrier thread

[bd popeye]

But how can you operate steam catabults with gas turbines?

Why not catabults in the angled deck?

As discussed in another thread a sepreate powerplant could be establised for the catapults. Although it has not ever been doen I'm sure it could.

Angle deck catapults??? I really do not see a need for one on a ship this large. On a smaller ship yes. It has to do with positioning aircraft for launch. I'm pretty sure about that.

In this picture below the Midway is preparing to launch aircraft sometime in the 1980's. Compare to the FN R91.

 

[Neutral Zone]

As discussed in another thread a sepreate powerplant could be establised for the catapults. Although it has not ever been doen I'm sure it could.

IIRC, the French PA2 carrier, a variant of the RN's CVF ships is going to use either gas turbines or IFEP for propulsion and it will be a CTOL carrier so it must be relatively straightforward to have both of these systems on the one ship..

 

[planeman]

A ship that large could have three elevators. All deck edge of course. Deck edge elevators optomize hangar space.

But crap for stealth. Not saying a carrier can be truly stealthy but as the prize target in the fleet an effort to reduce its RCS should be a given so that it may appear more like a destroyer to the incoming missiles - remember Atlantic Conveyor's use in the Falklands. It beggars belief that the USN isn't making more effort to reduce the RCS of its latest and greatest carriers.

 

[bd popeye]

But crap for stealth. Not saying a carrier can be truly stealthy but as the prize target in the fleet an effort to reduce its RCS should be a given so that it may appear more like a destroyer to the incoming missiles - remember Atlantic Conveyor's use in the Falklands. It beggars belief that the USN isn't making more effort to reduce the RCS of its latest and greatest carriers.

A US carrier is escorted by Arliegh Burke DDG's ..They can emit enough ECM to dazzle any navy. Not to mention E/A-6B. Of course that depends on what EMCOM condition is set.

CV's need not be stealthy.

Go ahead and use elevators that lower into the inner hangar. It will ruin your deck-multiple and ablity to quickly re-spot aircraft. You can't spot aircraft on it for safety reasons and you have to use it.

deck-multipile = The number of aircraft you can safely move on an CV during re-spot. (Ya' need as much deck space as possible.)

Re-spot = repositioning of aircraft between launches.

spot = aircraft parking spot.

 

[SteelBird]

BD, two quick questions:

1). on the photo above (CV-41?) aircrafts park fully on the desk, if some aircraft comes in and want to land, how does it do?

2). I notice the front part of the carrier, there are many things look like antena on both side of the carrier's nose, what are they?

 

[planeman]

A US carrier is escorted by Arliegh Burke DDG's ..They can emit enough ECM to dazzle any navy. Not to mention E/A-6B. Of course that depends on what EMCOM condition is set.

CV's need not be stealthy.

Isn't that the modern equivilent of saying that battleships are safe in port because the enemy is incapable of developing shallow-diving torpedos?
:coffee:

 

[Gollevainen]

No, only that ship building is always compromise and in carriers, the fligth deck/hanger/elevators count almoust all an therefore things to obscure it needs to be sacrificed.


In De Gaulle, I have heard that the position of the bridge in the front is to allow the two deck-edge lifts to be positioned that they wouldnt obscure the bow catapult opertions. Is this significant?

 

[bd popeye]

Isn't that the modern equivilent of saying that battleships are safe in port because the enemy is incapable of developing shallow-diving torpedos?
:coffee:

Nope..because the protection of a CV is up to it's escorts & aircraft. There is no magical way to find and attack a CV. We already have a thread about that!

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/showthread.php?t=2438

Perhaps on a PLAN CV the position of the elevators will not be that important. Whereas the tempo of operations will probally be somewaht less than the USN.

 

[Scratch]

Ok, this is my contribution to the topic.

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The CV is 300m (328y) long.
The usable deck space is roughly 10.000m² (107.600ft²), and the hanger 7.500m² (80.700ft²). The hanger is 10m (32,8ft) high.
It has a skyjump and one catapult for AEW planes and heavy loaded strike aircraft on the angled deck. The cat is not yet in a state were it can support air-ops in a reliable manner.
It's powered by 4 gas-turbines and one diesel engine for electricity and cat steam.
There are two VLS for together 32 HHQ-16 in front of the island.
There are 4 type 730 CIWS on the small bulges around the vessel. They are augmented by four improved HQ-7 each (though not shown in the picture).

I envisioned one sq (16 A/C) of J-10N (navalized ) mainly for A2A combat and secondary light attak plus a sq J-11NS (navy two-seater) for strike roles, recce. Perhaps some J-11N (one-seater) for tactical refuling roles.
Four KJ-2000 AEW. Four Z-9 and Ka-28 ASW Helis each and two Ka-28 AEW helis for backup.

The island houses the bridge/tower on top. Under it is the CIC and below that the air-ops room. Green are crew compartments and crew sopport areas. Dark grey tools/spareprts for A/C, yellow their ammo and bright blue their fuel.
The blue area at the bottom is ship fuel. The other pink (?) areas are general storage spaces.

So far ...

 

[su-27]

China is looking to western designs building their latest warships but they can studing only russian designs.

I think to an hybrid design between CVF and Ulyanovsk (rumors that China has bought the blueprints):

A carrier that resembles the CVF design but fitted with sky jump in the after deck and two catapults in the angled deck.

The ship could be about 70.000t or less more, maximum load.
Conventional powered and with about 65 aircraft:

16 J-14, 26 SU-33M (or STOVL fighters), 4 AEW (YAK-44 style), 3 L-15, 4 KA-28, 12 SU-33UB (bombers).

The ship could be fitted with 1 type 730 and 16 HH-16 per corner: total 4 type 730 and 64 HH-16.