how to grab taiwan in 7 days

Quite the oppsite large cities are easily contraled once conquered this is not a battle of armies like stalingrade

if a goood propaganda effort is conducted the taiwanese can be convinced that by joining china they will become part of a strong nation also if the civilian casulities are few the resistance will be lighter

PS ccp has quelled rebellion in large cities before

OK, I'm misinformed on the CCP's experience taking over big cities, and I concede the point.

But how smoothly this would go depends on how many civilian casualties there would be... so I guess the question could possibly be :

"What is the best way for China to take over Taiwan while minimizing civilian casualties?"

(Obviously not fighting will work, but let's put that aside for discussion's sake)

To me, a Taiwanese resistance would be very different from Stalingrad, as you stated, but I don't understand why large cities are easily controlled?

The reason it's different is because of the size of Taiwan's Army (and Taipei) and the very important fact that Taiwan unlike the USA does not allow citizens to bear arms, which would greatly undermine any resistance efforts...

Could you explain why larger cities are easily controlled?

insurgent need to blend in with the people to surive its easier to seperate them in cities then country side

vital resource like food and water can be easily denied if an uprising is mounted its also easier to put down.eg warsaw uprising and the effective contral by japanese of large cities .in county side they can scater and hide but ther is no such thing in cities

i think that's where you are wrong darth. if there's rebel forces in taipei for example, the fighters would be the locals, they can blend in perfectly. they would know the buildings better. and how can you stop them from getting food and water when they can just change their outfits walk down the street and go to the closest super market to pick up milk and bread, and some coffee. in a city they can just as easily scatter and hide... a large city can be a maze if you dont know it well.

:nono: go away vince lee!!!!!!!

pisigma

my friend your are think about urban battle bewten armies in witch your are perfectly correct city gives great defence bonus.if rationing is introduced where will they get the extra food ??? in country side the insurgent can ambush useing their superior knoldge of the area in cities they will be quickly suronded if they try that.if they mount a large up rising the chinese can simply burn down the whole street blok and kill those inside .in the country side they can spread their message where the autheriots are not strong . in city mass meeting will result in a police crak down

darth sidious said:

my friend your are think about urban battle bewten armies in witch your are perfectly correct city gives great defence bonus.if rationing is introduced where will they get the extra food ??? in country side the insurgent can ambush useing their superior knoldge of the area in cities they will be quickly suronded if they try that.if they mount a large up rising the chinese can simply burn down the whole street blok and kill those inside .in the country side they can spread their message where the autheriots are not strong . in city mass meeting will result in a police crak down

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I don't understand why being in a city would put the insurgents at a disadvantage when they have a complete understanding of the environment whereas the invaders are in (as PiSigma put it) a maze. Have you even been to Taipei before? (Sorry, this is kind of ad hominem, but my point is that there are MANY potential places to hide without getting surrounded)

What's more, if the Chinese burn a whole street block down what will happen is that even MORE Taiwanese will be pissed off, which will effectively undermine righteous authority. Cracking down will only make you more enemies, because if China didn't invade Taiwan in the first place none of this would have to happen.

Also, in the countryside (I do not know if you are referring to Aboriginals or Farmers) I believe the farmers could care less who's in control as long as their lives don't change. The aboriginals on the other hand aren't exactly pleased with the government but at least they have their own representatives in the government.

Note that even the Japanese had a hard time while fighting the Aboriginals in World War 2, what makes you think that the Chinese would have a cakewalk? (Granted there are technological differences, but not so big to degate the advantages the knowledge of the terrain the the Aboriginals have. Taiwan's mountains would be a bitch to attack from the POV of an attacking force)

My point is that you simplify things too much, giving the Chinese more credit than realistically possible...

burning down a city block would be unwise... very likely to kill innocents. and that means more people will join the resistance. and you don't want that. rationing is also not that smart since it will make the locals think fondly of the previous government. and you can't tell a rebel from a innocent civilian since they dress the same, speak the same. not like the rebel will carry his M16 to the super market.

burning down city is a bit too extrem i agree

but its easier for the insurgent to spreed their message in the countryside then city more place to hide ( chins main source of support is in the south eg country side)in the city police will show up rather quickly to make ambush effective

I never said insurgents can not live in cities just the country side is better

the japs took care of the Aboriginals by killing them all and guss what they were most effective in the high lands


PS burning down cities is an effective way too kill the defender as demonstrated by the warsaw uprising



PIsigma please ban vince aka t-1000

killing everyone that oppose them is not the answer. it will just creat friction with the local population. and that's not something PLA wants. their goal is to peacefully control the locals. and gassing and killing all aboriginals is called genocide, it's illegal under international law. so i still think it will be a pain in the arse for PLA to try to take a major city like taipei

darth sidious said:

but its easier for the insurgent to spreed their message in the countryside then city more place to hide ( chins main source of support is in the south eg country side)in the city police will show up rather quickly to make ambush effective

I never said insurgents can not live in cities just the country side is better

the japs took care of the Aboriginals by killing them all and guss what they were most effective in the high lands

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Actually darth sidious I would say you are flat-out WRONG when you say that China's main support would be in the south, which proves that you probably ought to learn more about Taiwan if you're interested about this...

The south was the most supportive of President Chen... (If chins was supposed to mean Chen then I'm sorry that I misread you... which obviously mean you should ignore the comment above if that's what you meant.)

But regarding the "japs took care of the Aboriginals" I'd say you are either grossly misinformed or your definition of "killing them all" is different from mine. To my knowledge there are still many aboriginals living in Taiwan (Yes, they do exist, I have been to several of their villages) and the Japanese never were able to kill them all.

BTW, how can you even tell T-1000 is Vince if you don't know his IP if you're not a mod?