Kampfwagen
Junior Member
That idea about the Prostitutes really made me laugh. This just goes to show how in-probable things you hear on the internet really are.
how to grab taiwan in 7 days
- Thread starter MIGleader
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If China is forced into a position where she must utilize force to solve the Taiwan problem, she would already have the US tied up in other conflicts before hand so that military intervention would be very unpopular. The current War of Terror is a prime example of how the US can be lured into a position where there can be no happy ending. I'm not sure if Bin-Laden has read Sun Tzu, but his strategy of making the US look like a fool on international stage would make Sun Tzu proud. The US should adopt a more prudent foreign policy and preserve our military strength for when we really need it. (EX. When we discover Bin-Laden's secret base in Antarctica where he has raised an army of clones of himself to take over the world; or when aliens come to destroy us all.)
As for the China atking Japan idea, no way China would ever endanger herself so. It is much more likely that instead of directly attacking Japan to get at the US bases, they would employ indirect methods, such as massive jamming of communications or a cyber attack, so they can put those bases out of action without provoking massvie response from the US. After that Taiwan would be "easy".
As for EternalVigil's argument, sure the US would love to help Japan as long as they continue to be the US's ally. After all Japan is the primary bastion of American power in Asia. But the problem comes when she had her military tied up in other parts of the world - something she should aviod at all costs. It is like Sun Tzu said "If one's enemy is strong, divide him."
As for the China atking Japan idea, no way China would ever endanger herself so. It is much more likely that instead of directly attacking Japan to get at the US bases, they would employ indirect methods, such as massive jamming of communications or a cyber attack, so they can put those bases out of action without provoking massvie response from the US. After that Taiwan would be "easy".
As for EternalVigil's argument, sure the US would love to help Japan as long as they continue to be the US's ally. After all Japan is the primary bastion of American power in Asia. But the problem comes when she had her military tied up in other parts of the world - something she should aviod at all costs. It is like Sun Tzu said "If one's enemy is strong, divide him."
only 7 days? why only 7 days? china must still be very afraid of america and american intervention. furthermore, why don't you ask the americans if war can be won in 7 days? It is more like 7 years later china will still be stuck in Taiwan. similarly like in iraq, and vietnam.
drunker homer's poll, failed to reflect, and ask the taiwanese population. what if your family member, especially children and senior parents were killed by china's bombs. would you take arms and kill the PLA soldiers? i think 100 percent of taiwanese would say yes.
lets do the math. 200,000 PLA soldiers deployed along with equipment, which may cost 100 to 150 billion per year, times 10 years of occupation of Taiwan. which comes to over 1 trillion. Taiwan has no oil, gold, or any kind of natural resources. Would china want to spend 1 trillion to save face??
a more likely war would be in the middle east, were china sends 5 million troops to secure oil fields in the middle east and goes to war with america over it. Now, that would be a likely war.
drunker homer's poll, failed to reflect, and ask the taiwanese population. what if your family member, especially children and senior parents were killed by china's bombs. would you take arms and kill the PLA soldiers? i think 100 percent of taiwanese would say yes.
lets do the math. 200,000 PLA soldiers deployed along with equipment, which may cost 100 to 150 billion per year, times 10 years of occupation of Taiwan. which comes to over 1 trillion. Taiwan has no oil, gold, or any kind of natural resources. Would china want to spend 1 trillion to save face??
a more likely war would be in the middle east, were china sends 5 million troops to secure oil fields in the middle east and goes to war with america over it. Now, that would be a likely war.
T1000, no politics playing here, and I warn you beforehand, don't act like Vince, especially in this thread. Otherwise, welcome.
As to the article, it's well written, but has its flaws. I personally think PLA paratroopers and marines should be used scattered across the island to take/destroy key military installations like SAM batteries and such. Then once they are taken, they would tell the PLA operations HQ that it's captured, and by 1-2 hours after the deployment of troops, the ones that were not captured would suffer a missile barrage first, and then air strikes. Meanwhile SF units try to attack and capture the enemy HQ. after 3-4 hours of initial deployment, amphibious landings will occur, regardless of success of previous actions.
As to the article, it's well written, but has its flaws. I personally think PLA paratroopers and marines should be used scattered across the island to take/destroy key military installations like SAM batteries and such. Then once they are taken, they would tell the PLA operations HQ that it's captured, and by 1-2 hours after the deployment of troops, the ones that were not captured would suffer a missile barrage first, and then air strikes. Meanwhile SF units try to attack and capture the enemy HQ. after 3-4 hours of initial deployment, amphibious landings will occur, regardless of success of previous actions.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
T1000, you are forgetting that fact that taiwan to mainland china is different from vietnam/iraq to USA. USA is going out of her way to attack another foreign nation for oil and power projection. mainland china in this case is completely different, it is fighting for national unity, because if they can't get taiwan under control, xinjiang and tibet are going to be gone pretty soon too. and it won't cost china as much to occupy taiwan as US in occupying iraq. chinese labor is cheap. after the initial landing, hundreds of thousands of extra recuits (and easy to find, lots of volunteers) could be send over. and after a few years, since most of the population on the island wouldn't care about it anymore. since half of the population either want unification or don't want independence. so they can live with the CCP.
The_Zergling
Junior Member
That's the problem with discussing Taiwan and military strategy, because anything will have something to do with politics...
I actually think T1000's post was pretty relevant to a potential "7 days" strategy, because the actions of a civilian population would greatly influence the success rate of a potential Chinese strike...
I certainly support staying away from politics if it gets to pointless country bashing, but the point is that politics has a lot to do with military strategy and the outcome of a potential scenario...
Personally I think T1000's post was pretty relevant to the topic... regardless of how the old Vince acted, I believe this post was important because it accurately depicts a possible civilian response to the hypothetical invasion in the first post that would render the take-over moot...
Huh, I noticed PiSigma's post after I finished posting... while I believe it is certainly true that China would occupy Taiwan much easier than the US could Iraq, it wouldn't really make people feel better about the deaths of loved ones, therefore the animosity towards the Chinese invasion would still be pretty high... maybe 20 years after it happens people won't care as much, but it certainly doesn't make the initial job of invading and governmental transition easier...
I actually think T1000's post was pretty relevant to a potential "7 days" strategy, because the actions of a civilian population would greatly influence the success rate of a potential Chinese strike...
I certainly support staying away from politics if it gets to pointless country bashing, but the point is that politics has a lot to do with military strategy and the outcome of a potential scenario...
Personally I think T1000's post was pretty relevant to the topic... regardless of how the old Vince acted, I believe this post was important because it accurately depicts a possible civilian response to the hypothetical invasion in the first post that would render the take-over moot...
Huh, I noticed PiSigma's post after I finished posting... while I believe it is certainly true that China would occupy Taiwan much easier than the US could Iraq, it wouldn't really make people feel better about the deaths of loved ones, therefore the animosity towards the Chinese invasion would still be pretty high... maybe 20 years after it happens people won't care as much, but it certainly doesn't make the initial job of invading and governmental transition easier...
The_Zergling
Junior Member
With all due respect to you Migleader, I disagree. To me the main point of T1000's post was that you can't win over the hearts and minds of people if you bomb then at the same time, that is why the US failed to secure Iraq, and that is why he says that China would also have a hard time taking over Taiwan easily if it used coercive force. I believe it is relevant to the post because it is a counter-argument to the ability of China to take over Taiwan in 7-days.
At least it makes a point about the problems China would have to face if it took over Taiwan with military force by comparing things to Iraq...
I also disagree that a peaceful surrender is the best way. To me having Taiwan go independent is just as viable an option (Save for China's "face") nobody gets killed either and everybody gets to keep on living their lives without the potential death and destruction an invasion would bring... but hey, if the Taiwanese people want to peacefully surrender that would work too, I'd have nothing to say against it if a significant majority agrees to it.
At least it makes a point about the problems China would have to face if it took over Taiwan with military force by comparing things to Iraq...
I also disagree that a peaceful surrender is the best way. To me having Taiwan go independent is just as viable an option (Save for China's "face") nobody gets killed either and everybody gets to keep on living their lives without the potential death and destruction an invasion would bring... but hey, if the Taiwanese people want to peacefully surrender that would work too, I'd have nothing to say against it if a significant majority agrees to it.
darth sidious
Banned Idiot
But the taiwanese also domt do sicuide car bombs and such
I highly doubt that there will be serious resistance even so the ccp has many years of experince in puting down such rebellion given taiwan is so urbanized the insurgent will have no where to hide except in the slums of the city an area witch will be easily contraled
I highly doubt that there will be serious resistance even so the ccp has many years of experince in puting down such rebellion given taiwan is so urbanized the insurgent will have no where to hide except in the slums of the city an area witch will be easily contraled
The_Zergling
Junior Member
Actually I believe that urban environments are perfect for guerilla tactics... buildings tend to provide great cover, especially for snipers...
I don't think the CCP's experience in putting down resistance would help them much here, Taipei is a very different environment compared to China's past crackdown locations...
I have no real military experience, but I'm an avid airsoft player, and I believe that a lot of buildings tend to give the defender a solid advantage if the attacker does not destroy all the buildings outright with airstrikes or tanks. (China is not likely to destroy real estate if possible)
Also, guerillas don't necessarily have to fight force with force, a main point of guerilla warfare is to win over the civilian population... it's much harder to contain a huge city of angry people than it is to kill a group of insurgents...
True, Taiwanese don't use car bombs, and in fact I tend to believe that the majority of Taiwanese people would NOT resort to lethal means of protest against a Chinese invasion...
What I DO believe is that there would be fierce animosity depending on how an invasion was conducted and that would hamper Chinese efforts, unless everybody just puts their hands up and does everything meekly and quietly, which is an improbability.
I don't think the CCP's experience in putting down resistance would help them much here, Taipei is a very different environment compared to China's past crackdown locations...
I have no real military experience, but I'm an avid airsoft player, and I believe that a lot of buildings tend to give the defender a solid advantage if the attacker does not destroy all the buildings outright with airstrikes or tanks. (China is not likely to destroy real estate if possible)
Also, guerillas don't necessarily have to fight force with force, a main point of guerilla warfare is to win over the civilian population... it's much harder to contain a huge city of angry people than it is to kill a group of insurgents...
True, Taiwanese don't use car bombs, and in fact I tend to believe that the majority of Taiwanese people would NOT resort to lethal means of protest against a Chinese invasion...
What I DO believe is that there would be fierce animosity depending on how an invasion was conducted and that would hamper Chinese efforts, unless everybody just puts their hands up and does everything meekly and quietly, which is an improbability.