How good are those Stealth Paints for PLAAF and PLAN fighters ??

adeptitus

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MIGleader said:
you can always bleed the missle, make it run out of fuel or outrun it by manuvewring.

In 3rd world (African) air to air engagements, it's common to find pilots firing their missiles at maximum or near-maximum range. In those cases the missiles often fail to score a hit.

IMO the future is in UAE combat drones running on AI. Without the constraints of a human pilot, a combat drone can fly faster and harder, take greater risks, and do the job for less $. Combat AI R&D prolly cost a lot less than having to train a combat pilot for 10 years, and have the guy roll off to fly 747's.
 

Knarfo

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MIGleader said:
you can always bleed the missle, make it run out of fuel or outrun it by manuvewring.

Could work if you spot it and it is launched near the edge of its range. Although I somehow get the feeling you are not considering the impact of new seekers and other recent developments. It is not like you can stare at missle and do a last split second turn to fool it.

Think about it this: After the expanding their bvr missile the fighters are closing to launch wvr missiles. Provided that both parties are going for the kill the missile is likely to launched in frontal hemisphere. The closing speed is huge. In order to maintain lock on the missile will have to change its course relatively little at longer ranges = little speed and energy loss. To escape the fighter can try to manouver to maintain as big a displacement as possible relative to the tracetory of the incoming missile. Combined with good ircm this is probably the best chance . Since if the missile looses track even for a short moment, it will now have to do harder turn. If this happens when the missle is close it may not be able to reaquire even with a wide angle agile seeker. or turn tail and try to out run it which means turning loosing more speed in the process. All the time while the missile has reached it top speed of M3-4. No amount of jinking will fool a modern missile. Bleeding its speed works only if the motor already has burned out awhile ago and the missile is already fairly slow. You would now be in the "might get lucky zone" (which means the missile was less than optimally launched). Modern missiles like python do the hard costly manuovering immediatly after launch if launched at high off boresight angles which will not affect it its range so much and nowadays I think it even has a sustainer of sorts.
Today wvr is a different ball game compared to the olden days of tailchase aim-9b and the likes. If the missle is launched within parameters chance of escape by manuovering is slim at best unless you have some classy IRCM.

And the camo angle: In within VISUAL range combat obvioulsy anything messes with VISUALLY aquiring a target and correctly assesing its trajectory is going to affect the combat.
 

MIGleader

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adeptitus said:
In 3rd world (African) air to air engagements, it's common to find pilots firing their missiles at maximum or near-maximum range. In those cases the missiles often fail to score a hit.

IMO the future is in UAE combat drones running on AI. Without the constraints of a human pilot, a combat drone can fly faster and harder, take greater risks, and do the job for less $. Combat AI R&D prolly cost a lot less than having to train a combat pilot for 10 years, and have the guy roll off to fly 747's.

AI? the uavs think for themselves? the owrld is screwed. the mchinese will take over. well, training a uav pilot isnt so hard. the pilots probably wasted half their lives playing combat video games anyways.
 

MIGleader

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IDonT said:
The limits of the Human body is only 9G before blacking out. Modern missiles can do up to 50G turns.

actually, its proven that humans can sustain a short time of 40g, but it will be VERY painful, and have results such as temporary blindness. not good for a fighter pilot.
 

tphuang

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in Armageddon, I think they had to suffer 12g acceleration.
 

coolieno99

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Su-27 Pilot said:
I know they are painted with those paints to conceal their existance. But how good are they ??

It is said to reduce radar cross-section by 50 % . Initial application will be painted on cruise missiles. :coffee:
Source: Aviation Week
 

sumdud

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China do have RAM. They are putting them onto the J-10s' bottom.
$50 for 70%, now that's a deal.

As for visual camoflage, China don't have planes with real camoflage. They are painted gray-white, so they'll probably hide in cloudy skies, but there are no cockpit-paint on the bottom or anything similar.
 

Knarfo

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sumdud said:
As for visual camoflage, China don't have planes with real camoflage. They are painted gray-white, so they'll probably hide in cloudy skies,

But that is real camoflage!!! How could it not be??
 
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