How good are those Stealth Paints for PLAAF and PLAN fighters ??

I have seen the same thing on Canadian Hornets and USAF A-10's.

The problem with radar is that the fuselage it self gives a quite small ehco compared to e.g. the turbine blades. This is why the B-1B e.g. has a very effective shielding so that the blades will not be visible on radar. Different locations for the intakes have also been tried (as everyone knows...). So on an older aircraft I would assume that RAM-paint doesn't help that much, but on newer planes where the fuselage presents a relatively large part of the total RCS such paint probably will be more usefull.

IDonT said:

European nations are painting a cockpit on the underside of their planes to confuse their opponets during a dogfigt.

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the opponent is still going to fire at you regardless of where your cocpit is

MIGleader said:

the opponent is still going to fire at you regardless of where your cocpit is

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True.... but hey, sometimes u might just get lucky survive coz the enemy got confused for a split second.

MIGleader said:

the opponent is still going to fire at you regardless of where your cocpit is

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If a solution is achieved it does of course not matter anymore. The point of painting a canopy on the underside is to confuse. To make harder for the opponent to determine/predict which way you are going. Pulling or pushing on the stick?

Knarfo said:

If a solution is achieved it does of course not matter anymore. The point of painting a canopy on the underside is to confuse. To make harder for the opponent to determine/predict which way you are going. Pulling or pushing on the stick?

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in the world of bvr, such camo is going have a very minimal effect on air combat

MIGleader said:

in the world of bvr, such camo is going have a very minimal effect on air combat

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Naturally. But in wvr fights visual camo still matters.
Besides, loads of people here gets very excited talking about thrust vectoring and adding canards even though the importance of super manouverabilty is decreasing even in wvr combat due to HMS and high off boresight missiles.

Knarfo said:

Naturally. But in wvr fights visual camo still matters.
Besides, loads of people here gets very excited talking about thrust vectoring and adding canards even though the importance of super manouverabilty is decreasing even in wvr combat due to HMS and high off boresight missiles.

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supermanuverability allows you to ofted dodge a missle, but camoflouge will not!!

MIGleader said:

supermanuverability allows you to ofted dodge a missle, but camoflouge will not!!

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The limits of the Human body is only 9G before blacking out. Modern missiles can do up to 50G turns.

MIGleader said:

supermanuverability allows you to ofted dodge a missle, but camoflouge will not!!

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Hmmm... Not too convinced about the often bit. In real life dodging a modern missile that has lock on is not like in the movies. For one thing the speed difference is huge. Couple this with all aspect seekers and low smoking/smokless motors it is difficult to get good visual warning and to visually track the missile (cutting down on reaction time). Missiles pull 40-60 g vs 9g at best for fighter. But of course because of the speed difference the difference in turning radius not that big. Another thing is that the Flanker series can not do those crazy manouvers at speeds over ca 600 km/h (or was even 400 km/h??). Which means that in a turning fight they are already unhealthy slow. Not necessary a catastrophe 1v1 but if out numbered they are sitting ducks. Most importantly modern missiles have a huge field of view and the seekers are fast tracking which add up to a big so called no escape zone. If you make a sharp turn at low speed you will not get far away from the turning point in a short time. Your best friend is definately good IRCM, not super manuverabilty. And of course not being easy to spot and visual track helps too.

you can always bleed the missle, make it run out of fuel or outrun it by manuvewring.