How do you know that the President of China is in town?

solarz

Brigadier
Unfortunately, I'm locked in a far more serious debate. I'm fighting for my thread. The charge has been made that my thread is not the spectacle that I expected. The claim is that extremely long convoys and extreme bodyguard protection are typical.

LOL, get over yourself, dude.

Re: How do you know that the President of China is in town?

Large crowds of protesters outside his hotel or to wherever he's going. To be fair the same thing happens when the Pres. Of the USA. visits. (George Bush)

That, and the Falun Gong banners. :rofl:
 

vesicles

Colonel
Unfortunately, I'm locked in a far more serious debate. I'm fighting for my thread. The charge has been made that my thread is not the spectacle that I expected. The claim is that extremely long convoys and extreme bodyguard protection are typical.

If Spartan95 can prove that the Queen of England receives similar treatment as the President of China then my thread is indeed "toast" and I will owe him/her a humiliating apology. It would also mean that I wasted hours on YouTube to select the best videos.

This is like defending a fortress with absolutely no strategic importance, you are wasting your time and energy. A man should know when to walk away...
 

bd popeye

The Last Jedi
VIP Professional
I watched the video. I counted seven bodyguards around President Obama and the First Lady as they walked down the street. I still have not seen proof to justify the claim that President Obama has a "similar" number of bodyguards in comparison to the President of China.

First off the President of the US does not have body guards but Secret Service agents. And trust me there are more than 7 guarding him.

For instance..VP Joe Biden was in Cedar Rapids yesterday. From the office building I work in we could see agents on roof tops , walking the streets mingling with the crowd. Certainly more than seven. If the VP has that sort of entourage imagine how many SS agents surround the President. nuff said.

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After the assassination of President William McKinley in 1901, Congress directed the Secret Service to protect the President of the United States. Protection remains a key mission of the United States Secret Service.

Authorization
Today, the Secret Service is authorized by law to protect:

* The president, the vice president, (or other individuals next in order of succession to the Office of the President), the president-elect and vice president-elect
* The immediate families of the above individuals
* Former presidents and their spouses for their lifetimes, except when the spouse remarries. In 1997, Congressional legislation became effective limiting Secret Service protection to former presidents for a period of not more than 10 years from the date the former president leaves office
* Children of former presidents until age 16
* Visiting heads of foreign states or governments and their spouses traveling with them, other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States, and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad
* Major presidential and vice presidential candidates, and their spouses within 120 days of a general presidential election
* Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President
* National Special Security Events, when designated as such by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

HOW PROTECTION WORKS
Protective Operations

The Secret Service is world-renowned for the physical protection it provides to the nation's highest elected leaders and other government officials. To safeguard Secret Service protectees, the agency does not generally discuss the specific types and methods of its security operations.

In general, permanent protectees, such as the president and first lady, have details of special agents permanently assigned to them. Temporary protectees, such as candidates and foreign dignitaries, are staffed with special agents on temporary assignment from Secret Service field offices. All current former presidents are entitled to lifetime Secret Service protection. However, as a result of legislation enacted in 1997, President George W. Bush will be the first president to have his protection limited to 10 years after he leaves office.

The protection of an individual is comprehensive and goes well beyond surrounding the individual with well-armed agents. As part of the Secret Service's mission of preventing an incident before it occurs, the agency relies on meticulous advance work and threat assessments developed by its Intelligence Division to identify potential risks to protectees.

Advances in technology and the world's reliance on interdependent network systems also have changed the Secret Service's protective responsibilities. No longer can law enforcement rely solely on human resources and physical barriers in designing a security plan; agencies also must address the role and inherent vulnerabilities of critical infrastructures upon which security plans are built.

Protective Visits

In general, for protective visits, teams of Secret Service personnel travel in advance and conduct site surveys, which assess needs for manpower, equipment, hospitals and evacuation routes for emergencies. Fire, rescue and other public service personnel in the community are alerted.

Before a protectee arrives at any site, a lead advance agent coordinates all law enforcement representatives participating in the visit. Intelligence information is discussed and emergency options are outlined. Prior to the arrival of the protectee, checkpoints are established and access to the secured area is limited.

The assistance of the military, federal, state, county and local law enforcement, and the public safety organizations is a vital part of the entire security operation. During protective visits, Secret Service and local law enforcement personnel form a network of support for members of the detail working in close proximity to the protectee. A Secret Service command post acts as the communication center for protective activities, monitors emergencies and keeps all participants in contact with one another. After the visit, agents analyze every step of the protective operation, record unusual incidents and suggest improvements for the future.


Protective Research

Protective research is an integral component of all security operations. Agents and specialists assigned to conduct protective research evaluate information received from law enforcement, intelligence agencies and a variety of other sources regarding individuals or groups who may pose a threat to Secret Service protectees. These agents review questionable letters and e-mails received at the White House and maintain a 24-hour operation to coordinate protection-related information.
 
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Martian

Senior Member
They certainly add a bit of color. but ......ummh, Sorry Martian I would have to give the title of "Meanest Baddest and Ugliest VIP in town title to George, by a whisker.:D

You are inviting a reply and here it comes.

Here is our "Meanest Baddest and Ugliest VIP in town title to George, by a whisker."

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By the way, I have great affection for Dubya. I don't really care that much about the Iraq or Afghan wars. The only thing that I remember from his administration is that former President George W. Bush smashed the "glass ceiling" for ethnic Chinese in America. He is the first American president to appoint an ethnic Chinese, Ms. Elaine Chao, to a Cabinet position.

In my book, George W. Bush will forever walk on water.
 

Martian

Senior Member
This is like defending a fortress with absolutely no strategic importance, you are wasting your time and energy. A man should know when to walk away...

You are probably correct. "Defending a fortress" with no intrinsic value is myopic. I will take your advice. Of course, I feel a little foolish that I was chasing a tactical victory with no strategic value.
 

Quickie

Colonel
I don't agree with how things are said here. There's such a thing as argument for the sake of argument.
 

Quickie

Colonel
Alright, I was just joking. :nana: :nana: :nana:


But I do agree that the importance of a VIP, as accorded by his or her own country, can be measured by the number of bodyguards that he or she has. So, the key here is in relation to one particular nation.
 

Martian

Senior Member
Alright, I was just joking. :nana: :nana: :nana:


But I do agree that the importance of a VIP, as accorded by his or her own country, can be measured by the number of bodyguards that he or she has. So, the key here is in relation to one particular nation.

Actually, I just thought the cluster of videos were pretty cool. However, someone decided to trivialize my posted videos and irritate me. I over-reacted. "Vesicles" is correct. I have no discernible strategic interest here. I am cutting my losses and investing my time more wisely. I'll probably put up another post in the PLA missile defense thread in the next few days.
 
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Spartan95

Junior Member
Big motorcades.

Jacob Zuma, a South African politician, travels around his own country with a 33-vehicle motorcade:

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On the day that a KwaZulu-Natal magistrate was lambasting the police's VIP protection unit for "terrorising road users and having no regard for the law" it was reported that ANC president Jacob Zuma's 33-vehicle motorcade ripped through Limpopo, often travelling three times faster than the speed limit.

Saudi King's 22-car motorcade in England:

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French President's 26-car motorcade:

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The French economy remains in a parlous state, and while the President goes on exotic foreign holidays with a 26-car motorcade and a beautiful Italian-born heiress, French people are feeling poorer than at any time since the early 1990s.

Queen of England's 27-car motorcade in Calgary:

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Kim Jong Il's 35-car motorcade in China:

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By midmorning Monday, reports placed a Kim's 35-car motorcade in Dalian, a port city in China's industrial northeast, about five hours from Dandong.

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Even bigger motorcades.

Gorbachev's 40-car motorcade in Washington:

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A 40-car motorcade took the party from the air base, in suburban Maryland, to the Soviet Embassy in downtown Washington where Mr. and Mr. Gorbachev will be staying.

Obama's 42-car motorcade in Ottawa (Youtube clip):

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Bush's 50-car motorcade (Youtube clip):

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Chechnya's president Ramzan Kadyrov's 50+ car motorcade:

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Obama's 71-car motorcade (more than double the Chinese President's 33-car motorcade):

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